[arg_discuss] ARG SIG meeting: Transcript (Vlad Alex)

[Vlad Alex]

Beeing also a lurker right now, but as far as you need some virtual
help (moderator, website, social networks etc.) you can count on me.
I'm in Germany right now, so my help can only proceed on the virtual
level.

About my relationship to ARGs: beeing addicted by ARGs as player (and
sometimes as grassrooter) I would be glad to make every contribution I
can to manifestate this wonderful art (ARGs are for me more than just
entertainment, but also art). And also to help this wonderful group of
people here :-)

Greetings
Vlad Alex aka kosmopol (Merzmensch)
http://merzmensch.t83.net/


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> Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 15:27:22 -0400

> From: "N. D." <neekono at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] ARG SIG meeting: Transcript

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> So far I've been more of a lurker than anything else, but if I can help in

> some way, I would like to. I'm an undergrad student in Orlando, Florida, and

> part of a group that has been experimenting with ARGs for a few months.

>

> I would love to see this group and this game genre grow and develop, so I

> volunteer! : )

>

> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM, John Evans <btradish at earthlink.net> wrote:

>

>> This is a transcript of the short ARG SIG online meeting that happened

>> today.

>> There will be an official summary posted later if you don't want to read

>> the whole thing; basically the meeting was about the governance of the

>> SIG in the sense of interfacing with the IGDA.

>>

>> Beginning of transcript

>> =====

>> <Andrhia> Hmm

>> <Andrhia> I guess this is probably late enough

>> <Andrhia> So HEAR HEAR

>> <Andrhia> I call to order this historic event in which we take our

>> governance into our own hands &c &c

>> <Andrhia> So here's the basic problem, as I see it.

>> <Andrhia> We need some minimal governance to do things like maintain the

>> email list and interface with the IGDA

>> <Andrhia> This stuff in particular is complicated right now, because

>> there's a search on for a new executive director of the IGDA -- I think

>> Jason is stepping down

>> <Andrhia> So it's not just us, the whole organization is in a kind of

>> transitional phase right now

>> <Andrhia> I can just keep doing this stuff to my existing standard, such

>> that it is, and that's fine, if everybody thinks it's OK

>> <Andrhia> But I feel really weird about that, because two of the other

>> three founding members of the leadership council have bowed out, and nobody

>> chose me to be here, I just kind of volunteered.

>> <Andrhia> And I think if somebody else would like to have a crack at it,

>> that would be really great.

>> <imbri> heh, such is the way with the world. that's why you shouldn't

>> volunteer for things ;)

>> <Andrhia> But aside from those boring day-to-day administrative things,

>> there's the looming issue of the SIG and what we want to do with it and how

>> all of THAT should be orgnized

>> <Andrhia> So we have, ex., ARGology, or Topics of the Week, or weekly chats

>> <JohnEvans> M-hm...

>> <Andrhia> Great ideas that are executed for a little while and then lose

>> steam

>> <Andrhia> (Imbri: Oh god, so I've learned)

>> <Andrhia> Anyway, I feel like as any sort of a leader, my great failure

>> here is in not keeping these things going on my own steam

>> <imbri> as far as losing steam on various project, i think that's natural

>> and normal

>> <Andrhia> And maybe the solution there is to wave our hands and say that

>> these should be committee-run or volunteer run

>> <Andrhia> Or maybe we make a, I don't know, a sign-up sheet, and you can be

>> the person making topic of the week for June, and you can do July...

>> <imbri> not only are these projects volunteer based, but they're about a

>> (fairly) new form of entertainment which is changing and updating and filled

>> with people who do not want to define things and box things in

>> <Andrhia> Haha

>> <Andrhia> Yeah.

>> <imbri> so it's hard to commit to things because "omg what if we stifle

>> creativity!"

>> <Andrhia> Im just wicked jealous of the writer's SIG

>> <Andrhia> They *totally write books*

>> <Andrhia> And then *get them published*

>> <Andrhia> It's amazing

>> <imbri> well, it's got a few years on us and a larger pool of people to

>> draw from

>> <JohnEvans> Yeah, they *are* pretty awesome. ;)

>> <Andrhia> Shhh!

>> <imbri> a lot of these problems are, probably, membership issues

>> * Andres slaps himself

>> <imbri> which is a chicken/egg thing

>> <Andrhia> Yeah, maybe

>> <imbri> you can't draw in the members without showing worth, you need the

>> members to do stuff to show the worth

>> <Andrhia> *nod*

>> <Andrhia> I wonder what our actual membership number is right now

>> <JohnEvans> But, if you just start somewhere, you can start building

>> interest...

>> * Andrhia tries to find the link that might tell her

>> <imbri> (playing the role of the cynic...)

>> <Andrhia> Hmm

>> <imbri> but to do things requires dedication which, in our history, seems

>> to feed off of positive feedback

>> <Andrhia> Not as many as I'd thought!

>> <Andrhia> We have 289 email list subscribers as of right now

>> <imbri> and consistantly having time - which is a rarity in our field

>> because when stuff is going on, you drop off the planet for a month or so

>> <Andrhia> Yes, you are correct

>> <Andrhia> And that's one of the reasons I'm terrified of being the Sole

>> Supreme Administrator of the SIG

>> <imbri> (you being whoever, not just *you*)

>> <imbri> well, i'm willing to step in and help you out a bit

>> <JohnEvans> I'd like to help. I set up Argology and I got the "unsafe

>> warning" taken care of, so...

>> <Andrhia> At the very least I really want to have a deputy who, you know,

>> has the moderation password and the email address of IGDA people to talk to

>> when something goes horribly awry

>> <imbri> and can offer a combined hour or two a week

>> <Andrhia> It doesn't even take that much time, honestly ^_^

>> <Andrhia> It's more of a "being there if the phone should happen to ring"

>> kind of situation

>> <Andrhia> Hahaha

>> <Andrhia> You're both all good in my book ^_^

>> <Andrhia> So I mean

>> <Andres> I can help also if needed

>> <Andrhia> ...do I just email around the list admin link and pwd?

>> <Andrhia> Should we set up a process where somebody says "OK, I volunteer"

>> and the next step is "Any objections?" to the list?

>> <Andrhia> ..my head hurts, wah wah

>> <imbri> honestly, i'd say just email around the link & pwd

>> <Andres> yep, +1

>> <Andrhia> I think I'm fundamentally afraid of seeming arbitrary, or elitist

>> <JohnEvans> We have to start somewhere. ;)

>> <Andrhia> Or unfair

>> <Andrhia> Hah

>> <Andrhia> OK

>> <imbri> i don't really think that people will have any objections

>> <imbri> and, if they do, we can address them (or sucker them into helping

>> out as well)

>> <imbri> (guilt works well ;))

>> <Addlepated> I think we're happy to have people who want to take charge :)

>> <Andrhia> That's the spirit ^_^

>> <Andres> We should up a process where somebody says "OK, I volunteer" and

>> the next step is Andrhia decides what to do about it :)

>> <Andrhia> Hahahaah

>> <Andrhia> OK

>> <Andrhia> So I think what we just decided on was a self-selected steering

>> committee or people who have the list password and get the admin emails

>> <imbri> and, that way, i think that the more natural leaders and active

>> types will fall into the admin role a bit more organically

>> <Andrhia> er, of people

>> <Andrhia> I'm not sure what to do about the IGDA stuff

>> <Andrhia> There's a SIG-leader email list

>> <JohnEvans> So, does the IGDA want to have someone designated the sole

>> leader of the SIG?

>> <Andrhia> But with the situation with the IGDA what it is, I'm not sure HOW

>> I would get anybody else onto that list

>> <Andrhia> I think not a sole leader, but they need to know who to talk to?

>> <JohnEvans> Ah, right...

>> <imbri> well, perhaps we should wait that out

>> <imbri> a) until igda leadership re-solidifies

>> <Andrhia> *nod*

>> <imbri> b) until we get a better feel over who the more active sig-admin

>> types are

>> <imbri> we'll probably be able to make a better judgment of things then

>> <Andrhia> OK

>> <Andrhia> So basically I'll hang out as the acting chairman because I'm

>> already on the list?

>> <imbri> yep :)

>> <JohnEvans> And you're doing such a good job. ;)

>> <imbri> i think anyway

>> * Andres agrees

>> <imbri> and, yeah, you're doing a good job

>> <Andrhia> Hahah

>> <Andrhia> Well, thank you

>> <Andrhia> This has been a big, horrible thing hanging over my head

>> <Andrhia> And you have all been so very nice to me today ^_^

>> <imbri> well, if you'd rather we can all pounce

>> <imbri> OMG WHO IS THIS ANDRHIA CHICK AND WHY DOES SHE SUCK SO MUCH?!

>> <Andrhia> So I think what we can do is post a transcript of this

>> <Andrhia> Pahahah

>> <Andrhia> See, what you don't know is, that's *totally what I always expect

>> to get*

>> <JohnEvans> Yeah, I think I know the feeling...

>> <Andrhia> ..I might be a little neurotic

>> <Andrhia> Anyway, here are my next actions, I think

>> <Andrhia> I'll post the transcript or maybe talk one of you into doing it

>> <Addlepated> that's why I quit volunteering for stuff... I'm just sure I'll

>> screw it up :P

>> <Andrhia> Everyone who wants to volunteer for our steering commitee thing

>> say on the list "Yeah, I sign up"

>> <Andrhia> And sometime over the weekend I'll put together a Welcome New

>> Administrator! package with some information in it

>> <Andrhia> Is that cool?

>> <imbri> sounds good :)

>> <Andrhia> OK, cool

>> <JohnEvans> Yep!

>> <Andrhia> And that gives other people on the list a few days to comment in

>> case the OMG WH DOES ANDREA SUCK SO MUCH contingent wants a little more

>> input

>>

>> =====

>> End of transcript

>>

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>> ARG_Discuss mailing list

>> ARG_Discuss at igda.org

>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss

>>

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> Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:56:57 +0200

> From: Dominic de Haas <dominic.de.haas at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] ARG SIG meeting: Transcript

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> Same here, I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to the genre.

> Haven't played any game yet, but decided to create one in stead.

> It ran for nearly 3 months and finished recently. So I do have some

> time on my hands to help with anything I can help with.

>

> Dominic

>

> On 5/16/09, N. D. <neekono at gmail.com> wrote:

>> So far I've been more of a lurker than anything else, but if I can help in

>> some way, I would like to. I'm an undergrad student in Orlando, Florida, and

>> part of a group that has been experimenting with ARGs for a few months.

>>

>> I would love to see this group and this game genre grow and develop, so I

>> volunteer! : )

>>

>> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM, John Evans <btradish at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>

>>> This is a transcript of the short ARG SIG online meeting that happened

>>> today.

>>> There will be an official summary posted later if you don't want to read

>>> the whole thing; basically the meeting was about the governance of the

>>> SIG in the sense of interfacing with the IGDA.

>>>

>>> Beginning of transcript

>>> =====

>>> <Andrhia> Hmm

>>> <Andrhia> I guess this is probably late enough

>>> <Andrhia> So HEAR HEAR

>>> <Andrhia> I call to order this historic event in which we take our

>>> governance into our own hands &c &c

>>> <Andrhia> So here's the basic problem, as I see it.

>>> <Andrhia> We need some minimal governance to do things like maintain the

>>> email list and interface with the IGDA

>>> <Andrhia> This stuff in particular is complicated right now, because

>>> there's a search on for a new executive director of the IGDA -- I think

>>> Jason is stepping down

>>> <Andrhia> So it's not just us, the whole organization is in a kind of

>>> transitional phase right now

>>> <Andrhia> I can just keep doing this stuff to my existing standard, such

>>> that it is, and that's fine, if everybody thinks it's OK

>>> <Andrhia> But I feel really weird about that, because two of the other

>>> three founding members of the leadership council have bowed out, and

>>> nobody

>>> chose me to be here, I just kind of volunteered.

>>> <Andrhia> And I think if somebody else would like to have a crack at it,

>>> that would be really great.

>>> <imbri> heh, such is the way with the world. that's why you shouldn't

>>> volunteer for things ;)

>>> <Andrhia> But aside from those boring day-to-day administrative things,

>>> there's the looming issue of the SIG and what we want to do with it and

>>> how

>>> all of THAT should be orgnized

>>> <Andrhia> So we have, ex., ARGology, or Topics of the Week, or weekly

>>> chats

>>> <JohnEvans> M-hm...

>>> <Andrhia> Great ideas that are executed for a little while and then lose

>>> steam

>>> <Andrhia> (Imbri: Oh god, so I've learned)

>>> <Andrhia> Anyway, I feel like as any sort of a leader, my great failure

>>> here is in not keeping these things going on my own steam

>>> <imbri> as far as losing steam on various project, i think that's natural

>>> and normal

>>> <Andrhia> And maybe the solution there is to wave our hands and say that

>>> these should be committee-run or volunteer run

>>> <Andrhia> Or maybe we make a, I don't know, a sign-up sheet, and you can

>>> be

>>> the person making topic of the week for June, and you can do July...

>>> <imbri> not only are these projects volunteer based, but they're about a

>>> (fairly) new form of entertainment which is changing and updating and

>>> filled

>>> with people who do not want to define things and box things in

>>> <Andrhia> Haha

>>> <Andrhia> Yeah.

>>> <imbri> so it's hard to commit to things because "omg what if we stifle

>>> creativity!"

>>> <Andrhia> Im just wicked jealous of the writer's SIG

>>> <Andrhia> They *totally write books*

>>> <Andrhia> And then *get them published*

>>> <Andrhia> It's amazing

>>> <imbri> well, it's got a few years on us and a larger pool of people to

>>> draw from

>>> <JohnEvans> Yeah, they *are* pretty awesome. ;)

>>> <Andrhia> Shhh!

>>> <imbri> a lot of these problems are, probably, membership issues

>>> * Andres slaps himself

>>> <imbri> which is a chicken/egg thing

>>> <Andrhia> Yeah, maybe

>>> <imbri> you can't draw in the members without showing worth, you need the

>>> members to do stuff to show the worth

>>> <Andrhia> *nod*

>>> <Andrhia> I wonder what our actual membership number is right now

>>> <JohnEvans> But, if you just start somewhere, you can start building

>>> interest...

>>> * Andrhia tries to find the link that might tell her

>>> <imbri> (playing the role of the cynic...)

>>> <Andrhia> Hmm

>>> <imbri> but to do things requires dedication which, in our history, seems

>>> to feed off of positive feedback

>>> <Andrhia> Not as many as I'd thought!

>>> <Andrhia> We have 289 email list subscribers as of right now

>>> <imbri> and consistantly having time - which is a rarity in our field

>>> because when stuff is going on, you drop off the planet for a month or so

>>> <Andrhia> Yes, you are correct

>>> <Andrhia> And that's one of the reasons I'm terrified of being the Sole

>>> Supreme Administrator of the SIG

>>> <imbri> (you being whoever, not just *you*)

>>> <imbri> well, i'm willing to step in and help you out a bit

>>> <JohnEvans> I'd like to help. I set up Argology and I got the "unsafe

>>> warning" taken care of, so...

>>> <Andrhia> At the very least I really want to have a deputy who, you know,

>>> has the moderation password and the email address of IGDA people to talk

>>> to

>>> when something goes horribly awry

>>> <imbri> and can offer a combined hour or two a week

>>> <Andrhia> It doesn't even take that much time, honestly ^_^

>>> <Andrhia> It's more of a "being there if the phone should happen to ring"

>>> kind of situation

>>> <Andrhia> Hahaha

>>> <Andrhia> You're both all good in my book ^_^

>>> <Andrhia> So I mean

>>> <Andres> I can help also if needed

>>> <Andrhia> ...do I just email around the list admin link and pwd?

>>> <Andrhia> Should we set up a process where somebody says "OK, I volunteer"

>>> and the next step is "Any objections?" to the list?

>>> <Andrhia> ..my head hurts, wah wah

>>> <imbri> honestly, i'd say just email around the link & pwd

>>> <Andres> yep, +1

>>> <Andrhia> I think I'm fundamentally afraid of seeming arbitrary, or

>>> elitist

>>> <JohnEvans> We have to start somewhere. ;)

>>> <Andrhia> Or unfair

>>> <Andrhia> Hah

>>> <Andrhia> OK

>>> <imbri> i don't really think that people will have any objections

>>> <imbri> and, if they do, we can address them (or sucker them into helping

>>> out as well)

>>> <imbri> (guilt works well ;))

>>> <Addlepated> I think we're happy to have people who want to take charge :)

>>> <Andrhia> That's the spirit ^_^

>>> <Andres> We should up a process where somebody says "OK, I volunteer" and

>>> the next step is Andrhia decides what to do about it :)

>>> <Andrhia> Hahahaah

>>> <Andrhia> OK

>>> <Andrhia> So I think what we just decided on was a self-selected steering

>>> committee or people who have the list password and get the admin emails

>>> <imbri> and, that way, i think that the more natural leaders and active

>>> types will fall into the admin role a bit more organically

>>> <Andrhia> er, of people

>>> <Andrhia> I'm not sure what to do about the IGDA stuff

>>> <Andrhia> There's a SIG-leader email list

>>> <JohnEvans> So, does the IGDA want to have someone designated the sole

>>> leader of the SIG?

>>> <Andrhia> But with the situation with the IGDA what it is, I'm not sure

>>> HOW

>>> I would get anybody else onto that list

>>> <Andrhia> I think not a sole leader, but they need to know who to talk to?

>>> <JohnEvans> Ah, right...

>>> <imbri> well, perhaps we should wait that out

>>> <imbri> a) until igda leadership re-solidifies

>>> <Andrhia> *nod*

>>> <imbri> b) until we get a better feel over who the more active sig-admin

>>> types are

>>> <imbri> we'll probably be able to make a better judgment of things then

>>> <Andrhia> OK

>>> <Andrhia> So basically I'll hang out as the acting chairman because I'm

>>> already on the list?

>>> <imbri> yep :)

>>> <JohnEvans> And you're doing such a good job. ;)

>>> <imbri> i think anyway

>>> * Andres agrees

>>> <imbri> and, yeah, you're doing a good job

>>> <Andrhia> Hahah

>>> <Andrhia> Well, thank you

>>> <Andrhia> This has been a big, horrible thing hanging over my head

>>> <Andrhia> And you have all been so very nice to me today ^_^

>>> <imbri> well, if you'd rather we can all pounce

>>> <imbri> OMG WHO IS THIS ANDRHIA CHICK AND WHY DOES SHE SUCK SO MUCH?!

>>> <Andrhia> So I think what we can do is post a transcript of this

>>> <Andrhia> Pahahah

>>> <Andrhia> See, what you don't know is, that's *totally what I always

>>> expect

>>> to get*

>>> <JohnEvans> Yeah, I think I know the feeling...

>>> <Andrhia> ..I might be a little neurotic

>>> <Andrhia> Anyway, here are my next actions, I think

>>> <Andrhia> I'll post the transcript or maybe talk one of you into doing it

>>> <Addlepated> that's why I quit volunteering for stuff... I'm just sure

>>> I'll

>>> screw it up :P

>>> <Andrhia> Everyone who wants to volunteer for our steering commitee thing

>>> say on the list "Yeah, I sign up"

>>> <Andrhia> And sometime over the weekend I'll put together a Welcome New

>>> Administrator! package with some information in it

>>> <Andrhia> Is that cool?

>>> <imbri> sounds good :)

>>> <Andrhia> OK, cool

>>> <JohnEvans> Yep!

>>> <Andrhia> And that gives other people on the list a few days to comment in

>>> case the OMG WH DOES ANDREA SUCK SO MUCH contingent wants a little more

>>> input

>>>

>>> =====

>>> End of transcript

>>>

>>> _______________________________________________

>>> ARG_Discuss mailing list

>>> ARG_Discuss at igda.org

>>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss

>>>

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>> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss

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