From andrhia at gmail.com Fri May 1 22:04:04 2009 From: andrhia at gmail.com (Andrea Phillips) Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:04:04 -0400 Subject: [arg_discuss] Constitutional Congress: May 15, Noon Eastern Message-ID: <5c799fd60905011904r4a624en26a586511c0c96b3@mail.gmail.com> Oooooo-KAY! We haven't sorted out any sort of leadership or constitution thing, and I suppose it really does need settling, so I'm going to call an IRC constitutional congress to occur at a time that happens to be convenient for me. That time is: Friday, May 15, at noon Eastern US time. (That's 5pm British time and 9am Pacific.) Details on how to connect to IRC to come, both a few days before the day and on the day itself. If we do not come to a consensus in chat, then I will throw my hands up in the air and declare myself the supreme dictator of the SIG, and subject you all to a continuation of the same style of benign neglect you have already come to expect from me. And we don't want THAT, do we? If you've got a good argument for making this another date or time, or if you have a proposal on how to settle all of the formalities you'd like to pitch to the list before then, do speak up. Thanks! -- Andrea Phillips http://www.deusexmachinatio.com Words * Culture * Interaction From andrhia at gmail.com Sat May 9 12:21:25 2009 From: andrhia at gmail.com (Andrea Phillips) Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 12:21:25 -0400 Subject: [arg_discuss] Fwd: Women in Games SIG Newsletter Deadline - 5/25 In-Reply-To: <20090506124601298.OEXX344@hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com> References: <5ed2f03e0904232347n235bebd7u13c81c4e0e5d1cb4@mail.gmail.com> <20090506124601298.OEXX344@hrndva-omta02.mail.rr.com> Message-ID: <5c799fd60905090921w3fd2645fjfbb15dfa21947f26@mail.gmail.com> FYI, in case any of you would like to submit some tasty ARG goodness for the next Women in Games SIG newsletter. :) Cheers! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Fiona Cherbak Date: Wed, May 6, 2009 at 8:45 AM Hello, SIG colleagues! The editorial deadline for the next quarterly IGDA Women in Games SIG newsletter is approaching on Monday, May 25. In the sprit of cross-SIG synergy, we?d like to invite your SIG to contribute to our newsletter, if you have something to offer that may be of interest to our readership, or may assist you in your current SIG goals and development. Please send your prepared announcement ?blurb? (50 to 100 words) with link, or complete article (300 to 600 words) with image(s) to wigsignewsletter at igda.org by 5/25. Out total newsletter distribution, via our partners and sponsors, is roughly 5,000 game industry contacts.? If you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to me! Kind regards, Fiona Cherbak Chair, IGDA Women in Games SIG Ofc: 512/916-9633 -- Andrea Phillips http://www.deusexmachinatio.com Words * Culture * Interaction From andrhia at gmail.com Mon May 11 20:31:21 2009 From: andrhia at gmail.com (Andrea Phillips) Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 20:31:21 -0400 Subject: [arg_discuss] Constitutional Congress: May 15, Noon Eastern In-Reply-To: <5c799fd60905011904r4a624en26a586511c0c96b3@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c799fd60905011904r4a624en26a586511c0c96b3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5c799fd60905111731s2c1bbdfdpecd03c550c23b6fe@mail.gmail.com> Here's our first reminder -- we're holding our ARG SIG Constitutional Congress this Friday at noon Eastern US time. That's 5pm in London and 9am Los Angeles. Instructions on how to get onto IRC are here: http://www.igda.org/wiki/Alternate_Reality_Games_SIG/IRC_Chats/IRC_Instructions Since it is in fact my superpower, I have inadvertently scheduled this meeting at the tail end of a conference, when at least some of us will be traveling -- the LOGIN conference in Seattle. Are enough of us attending this conference such that we need to reschedule? Please chime in and let me know what you think. On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Andrea Phillips wrote: > Oooooo-KAY! We haven't sorted out any sort of leadership or > constitution thing, and I suppose it really does need settling, so I'm > going to call an IRC constitutional congress to occur at a time that > happens to be convenient for me. > > That time is: Friday, May 15, at noon Eastern US time. (That's 5pm > British time and 9am Pacific.) Details on how to connect to IRC to > come, both a few days before the day and on the day itself. > > If we do not come to a consensus in chat, then I will throw my hands > up in the air and declare myself the supreme dictator of the SIG, and > subject you all to a continuation of the same style of benign neglect > you have already come to expect from me. And we don't want THAT, do > we? > > If you've got a good argument for making this another date or time, or > if you have a proposal on how to settle all of the formalities you'd > like to pitch to the list before then, do speak up. Thanks! > > -- > Andrea Phillips > http://www.deusexmachinatio.com > Words * Culture * Interaction > -- Andrea Phillips http://www.deusexmachinatio.com Words * Culture * Interaction From wendeth at wendydespain.com Tue May 12 12:19:27 2009 From: wendeth at wendydespain.com (Wendy Despain) Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [arg_discuss] Constitutional Congress: May 15, Noon Eastern In-Reply-To: <5c799fd60905111731s2c1bbdfdpecd03c550c23b6fe@mail.gmail.com> References: <5c799fd60905011904r4a624en26a586511c0c96b3@mail.gmail.com> <5c799fd60905111731s2c1bbdfdpecd03c550c23b6fe@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <179e2f162a1c02f39b9147da1f043c51.squirrel@webmail.wendydespain.com> I had hoped to attend this constitutional congress, and I believe I will be in a cab to the airport for exactly the hour it was scheduled. Not sure how to get around that. Wendy Despain International Hobo On Mon, May 11, 2009 5:31 pm, Andrea Phillips wrote: > Here's our first reminder -- we're holding our ARG SIG Constitutional > Congress this Friday at noon Eastern US time. That's 5pm in London and > 9am Los Angeles. > > Instructions on how to get onto IRC are here: > > http://www.igda.org/wiki/Alternate_Reality_Games_SIG/IRC_Chats/IRC_Instructions > > Since it is in fact my superpower, I have inadvertently scheduled this > meeting at the tail end of a conference, when at least some of us will > be traveling -- the LOGIN conference in Seattle. Are enough of us > attending this conference such that we need to reschedule? Please > chime in and let me know what you think. > > > On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Andrea Phillips > wrote: >> Oooooo-KAY! We haven't sorted out any sort of leadership or >> constitution thing, and I suppose it really does need settling, so >> I'm >> going to call an IRC constitutional congress to occur at a time that >> happens to be convenient for me. >> >> That time is: Friday, May 15, at noon Eastern US time. (That's 5pm >> British time and 9am Pacific.) Details on how to connect to IRC to >> come, both a few days before the day and on the day itself. >> >> If we do not come to a consensus in chat, then I will throw my hands >> up in the air and declare myself the supreme dictator of the SIG, >> and >> subject you all to a continuation of the same style of benign >> neglect >> you have already come to expect from me. And we don't want THAT, do >> we? >> >> If you've got a good argument for making this another date or time, >> or >> if you have a proposal on how to settle all of the formalities you'd >> like to pitch to the list before then, do speak up. Thanks! >> >> -- >> Andrea Phillips >> http://www.deusexmachinatio.com >> Words * Culture * Interaction >> > > > > -- > Andrea Phillips > http://www.deusexmachinatio.com > Words * Culture * Interaction > _______________________________________________ > ARG_Discuss mailing list > ARG_Discuss at igda.org > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss > Wendy Despain quantumcontent.com From deusexmachinatio at gmail.com Fri May 15 11:47:20 2009 From: deusexmachinatio at gmail.com (Andrea Phillips) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:47:20 -0700 Subject: [arg_discuss] Constitutional Congress TODAY! Message-ID: <5c799fd60905150847g7f64c2fbje97ddf4b693614d2@mail.gmail.com> Remember, folks, we're holding our ARG SIG Constitutional Congress TODAY at noon Eastern US time. That's 5pm in London and 9am Los Angeles. (Yep, in about fifteen minutes.) Instructions on how to get onto IRC are here: http://www.igda.org/wiki/Alternate_Reality_Games_SIG/IRC_Chats/IRC_Instructions We'll be logging the proceedings and hopefully crafting a proposal to put before the entire SIG. Thanks, guys! On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Wendy Despain wrote: > I had hoped to attend this constitutional congress, and I believe I > will be in a cab to the airport for exactly the hour it was scheduled. > Not sure how to get around that. > > Wendy Despain > International Hobo > > > On Mon, May 11, 2009 5:31 pm, Andrea Phillips wrote: >> Here's our first reminder -- we're holding our ARG SIG Constitutional >> Congress this Friday at noon Eastern US time. That's 5pm in London and >> 9am Los Angeles. >> >> Instructions on how to get onto IRC are here: >> >> http://www.igda.org/wiki/Alternate_Reality_Games_SIG/IRC_Chats/IRC_Instructions >> >> Since it is in fact my superpower, I have inadvertently scheduled this >> meeting at the tail end of a conference, when at least some of us will >> be traveling -- the LOGIN conference in Seattle. Are enough of us >> attending this conference such that we need to reschedule? Please >> chime in and let me know what you think. >> >> >> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Andrea Phillips >> wrote: >>> Oooooo-KAY! We haven't sorted out any sort of leadership or >>> constitution thing, and I suppose it really does need settling, so >>> I'm >>> going to call an IRC constitutional congress to occur at a time that >>> happens to be convenient for me. >>> >>> That time is: Friday, May 15, at noon Eastern US time. (That's 5pm >>> British time and 9am Pacific.) Details on how to connect to IRC to >>> come, both a few days before the day and on the day itself. >>> >>> If we do not come to a consensus in chat, then I will throw my hands >>> up in the air and declare myself the supreme dictator of the SIG, >>> and >>> subject you all to a continuation of the same style of benign >>> neglect >>> you have already come to expect from me. And we don't want THAT, do >>> we? >>> >>> If you've got a good argument for making this another date or time, >>> or >>> if you have a proposal on how to settle all of the formalities you'd >>> like to pitch to the list before then, do speak up. Thanks! >>> >>> -- >>> Andrea Phillips >>> http://www.deusexmachinatio.com >>> Words * Culture * Interaction >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Andrea Phillips >> http://www.deusexmachinatio.com >> Words * Culture * Interaction >> _______________________________________________ >> ARG_Discuss mailing list >> ARG_Discuss at igda.org >> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss >> > > > Wendy Despain > quantumcontent.com > > _______________________________________________ > ARG_Discuss mailing list > ARG_Discuss at igda.org > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss > -- Andrea Phillips http://www.deusexmachinatio.com Words * Culture * Interaction From btradish at earthlink.net Fri May 15 12:46:46 2009 From: btradish at earthlink.net (John Evans) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:46:46 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [arg_discuss] ARG SIG meeting: Transcript Message-ID: <23334569.1242406007106.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> This is a transcript of the short ARG SIG online meeting that happened today. There will be an official summary posted later if you don't want to read the whole thing; basically the meeting was about the governance of the SIG in the sense of interfacing with the IGDA. Beginning of transcript ===== Hmm I guess this is probably late enough So HEAR HEAR I call to order this historic event in which we take our governance into our own hands &c &c So here's the basic problem, as I see it. We need some minimal governance to do things like maintain the email list and interface with the IGDA This stuff in particular is complicated right now, because there's a search on for a new executive director of the IGDA -- I think Jason is stepping down So it's not just us, the whole organization is in a kind of transitional phase right now I can just keep doing this stuff to my existing standard, such that it is, and that's fine, if everybody thinks it's OK But I feel really weird about that, because two of the other three founding members of the leadership council have bowed out, and nobody chose me to be here, I just kind of volunteered. And I think if somebody else would like to have a crack at it, that would be really great. heh, such is the way with the world. that's why you shouldn't volunteer for things ;) But aside from those boring day-to-day administrative things, there's the looming issue of the SIG and what we want to do with it and how all of THAT should be orgnized So we have, ex., ARGology, or Topics of the Week, or weekly chats M-hm... Great ideas that are executed for a little while and then lose steam (Imbri: Oh god, so I've learned) Anyway, I feel like as any sort of a leader, my great failure here is in not keeping these things going on my own steam as far as losing steam on various project, i think that's natural and normal And maybe the solution there is to wave our hands and say that these should be committee-run or volunteer run Or maybe we make a, I don't know, a sign-up sheet, and you can be the person making topic of the week for June, and you can do July... not only are these projects volunteer based, but they're about a (fairly) new form of entertainment which is changing and updating and filled with people who do not want to define things and box things in Haha Yeah. so it's hard to commit to things because "omg what if we stifle creativity!" Im just wicked jealous of the writer's SIG They *totally write books* And then *get them published* It's amazing well, it's got a few years on us and a larger pool of people to draw from Yeah, they *are* pretty awesome. ;) Shhh! a lot of these problems are, probably, membership issues * Andres slaps himself which is a chicken/egg thing Yeah, maybe you can't draw in the members without showing worth, you need the members to do stuff to show the worth *nod* I wonder what our actual membership number is right now But, if you just start somewhere, you can start building interest... * Andrhia tries to find the link that might tell her (playing the role of the cynic...) Hmm but to do things requires dedication which, in our history, seems to feed off of positive feedback Not as many as I'd thought! We have 289 email list subscribers as of right now and consistantly having time - which is a rarity in our field because when stuff is going on, you drop off the planet for a month or so Yes, you are correct And that's one of the reasons I'm terrified of being the Sole Supreme Administrator of the SIG (you being whoever, not just *you*) well, i'm willing to step in and help you out a bit I'd like to help. I set up Argology and I got the "unsafe warning" taken care of, so... At the very least I really want to have a deputy who, you know, has the moderation password and the email address of IGDA people to talk to when something goes horribly awry and can offer a combined hour or two a week It doesn't even take that much time, honestly ^_^ It's more of a "being there if the phone should happen to ring" kind of situation Hahaha You're both all good in my book ^_^ So I mean I can help also if needed ...do I just email around the list admin link and pwd? Should we set up a process where somebody says "OK, I volunteer" and the next step is "Any objections?" to the list? ..my head hurts, wah wah honestly, i'd say just email around the link & pwd yep, +1 I think I'm fundamentally afraid of seeming arbitrary, or elitist We have to start somewhere. ;) Or unfair Hah OK i don't really think that people will have any objections and, if they do, we can address them (or sucker them into helping out as well) (guilt works well ;)) I think we're happy to have people who want to take charge :) That's the spirit ^_^ We should up a process where somebody says "OK, I volunteer" and the next step is Andrhia decides what to do about it :) Hahahaah OK So I think what we just decided on was a self-selected steering committee or people who have the list password and get the admin emails and, that way, i think that the more natural leaders and active types will fall into the admin role a bit more organically er, of people I'm not sure what to do about the IGDA stuff There's a SIG-leader email list So, does the IGDA want to have someone designated the sole leader of the SIG? But with the situation with the IGDA what it is, I'm not sure HOW I would get anybody else onto that list I think not a sole leader, but they need to know who to talk to? Ah, right... well, perhaps we should wait that out a) until igda leadership re-solidifies *nod* b) until we get a better feel over who the more active sig-admin types are we'll probably be able to make a better judgment of things then OK So basically I'll hang out as the acting chairman because I'm already on the list? yep :) And you're doing such a good job. ;) i think anyway * Andres agrees and, yeah, you're doing a good job Hahah Well, thank you This has been a big, horrible thing hanging over my head And you have all been so very nice to me today ^_^ well, if you'd rather we can all pounce OMG WHO IS THIS ANDRHIA CHICK AND WHY DOES SHE SUCK SO MUCH?! So I think what we can do is post a transcript of this Pahahah See, what you don't know is, that's *totally what I always expect to get* Yeah, I think I know the feeling... ..I might be a little neurotic Anyway, here are my next actions, I think I'll post the transcript or maybe talk one of you into doing it that's why I quit volunteering for stuff... I'm just sure I'll screw it up :P Everyone who wants to volunteer for our steering commitee thing say on the list "Yeah, I sign up" And sometime over the weekend I'll put together a Welcome New Administrator! package with some information in it Is that cool? sounds good :) OK, cool Yep! And that gives other people on the list a few days to comment in case the OMG WH DOES ANDREA SUCK SO MUCH contingent wants a little more input ===== End of transcript From brooke at mirlandano.com Fri May 15 12:53:29 2009 From: brooke at mirlandano.com (Brooke Thompson) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 12:53:29 -0400 Subject: [arg_discuss] ARG SIG meeting: Transcript In-Reply-To: <23334569.1242406007106.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <23334569.1242406007106.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: I volunteered during the chat, but to make it official... Yeah, I sign up > Everyone who wants to volunteer for our steering commitee > thing say on the list "Yeah, I sign up" From rian.rezende at gmail.com Fri May 15 14:08:32 2009 From: rian.rezende at gmail.com (Rian Rezende) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 15:08:32 -0300 Subject: [arg_discuss] ARG SIG meeting: Transcript In-Reply-To: References: <23334569.1242406007106.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <566dd5f80905151108l254b01edh515479f4b117824a@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I'm from Brazil, and I'm studying ARGs in my Master in Design. I want to be a volunteer. Yeah, I Sign up Thanks! Rian Rezende 2009/5/15 Brooke Thompson > I volunteered during the chat, but to make it official... Yeah, I sign up > > > > Everyone who wants to volunteer for our steering commitee thing >> say on the list "Yeah, I sign up" >> > _______________________________________________ > ARG_Discuss mailing list > ARG_Discuss at igda.org > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss > From wendeth at wendydespain.com Fri May 15 21:06:21 2009 From: wendeth at wendydespain.com (Wendy Despain) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 18:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [arg_discuss] ARG SIG meeting: Transcript In-Reply-To: <23334569.1242406007106.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink. net> References: <23334569.1242406007106.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: "Yeah, I sign up" :-) On Fri, May 15, 2009 9:46 am, John Evans wrote: > This is a transcript of the short ARG SIG online meeting that happened > today. > There will be an official summary posted later if you don't want to > read > the whole thing; basically the meeting was about the governance of the > SIG in the sense of interfacing with the IGDA. > > Beginning of transcript > ===== > Hmm > I guess this is probably late enough > So HEAR HEAR > I call to order this historic event in which we take our > governance into our own hands &c &c > So here's the basic problem, as I see it. > We need some minimal governance to do things like maintain > the email list and interface with the IGDA > This stuff in particular is complicated right now, because > there's a search on for a new executive director of the IGDA -- I > think Jason is stepping down > So it's not just us, the whole organization is in a kind of > transitional phase right now > I can just keep doing this stuff to my existing standard, > such that it is, and that's fine, if everybody thinks it's OK > But I feel really weird about that, because two of the other > three founding members of the leadership council have bowed out, and > nobody chose me to be here, I just kind of volunteered. > And I think if somebody else would like to have a crack at > it, that would be really great. > heh, such is the way with the world. that's why you shouldn't > volunteer for things ;) > But aside from those boring day-to-day administrative > things, there's the looming issue of the SIG and what we want to do > with it and how all of THAT should be orgnized > So we have, ex., ARGology, or Topics of the Week, or weekly > chats > M-hm... > Great ideas that are executed for a little while and then > lose steam > (Imbri: Oh god, so I've learned) > Anyway, I feel like as any sort of a leader, my great > failure here is in not keeping these things going on my own steam > as far as losing steam on various project, i think that's > natural and normal > And maybe the solution there is to wave our hands and say > that these should be committee-run or volunteer run > Or maybe we make a, I don't know, a sign-up sheet, and you > can be the person making topic of the week for June, and you can do > July... > not only are these projects volunteer based, but they're about > a (fairly) new form of entertainment which is changing and updating > and filled with people who do not want to define things and box things > in > Haha > Yeah. > so it's hard to commit to things because "omg what if we > stifle creativity!" > Im just wicked jealous of the writer's SIG > They *totally write books* > And then *get them published* > It's amazing > well, it's got a few years on us and a larger pool of people > to draw from > Yeah, they *are* pretty awesome. ;) > Shhh! > a lot of these problems are, probably, membership issues > * Andres slaps himself > which is a chicken/egg thing > Yeah, maybe > you can't draw in the members without showing worth, you need > the members to do stuff to show the worth > *nod* > I wonder what our actual membership number is right now > But, if you just start somewhere, you can start building > interest... > * Andrhia tries to find the link that might tell her > (playing the role of the cynic...) > Hmm > but to do things requires dedication which, in our history, > seems to feed off of positive feedback > Not as many as I'd thought! > We have 289 email list subscribers as of right now > and consistantly having time - which is a rarity in our field > because when stuff is going on, you drop off the planet for a month or > so > Yes, you are correct > And that's one of the reasons I'm terrified of being the > Sole Supreme Administrator of the SIG > (you being whoever, not just *you*) > well, i'm willing to step in and help you out a bit > I'd like to help. I set up Argology and I got the "unsafe > warning" taken care of, so... > At the very least I really want to have a deputy who, you > know, has the moderation password and the email address of IGDA people > to talk to when something goes horribly awry > and can offer a combined hour or two a week > It doesn't even take that much time, honestly ^_^ > It's more of a "being there if the phone should happen to > ring" kind of situation > Hahaha > You're both all good in my book ^_^ > So I mean > I can help also if needed > ...do I just email around the list admin link and pwd? > Should we set up a process where somebody says "OK, I > volunteer" and the next step is "Any objections?" to the list? > ..my head hurts, wah wah > honestly, i'd say just email around the link & pwd > yep, +1 > I think I'm fundamentally afraid of seeming arbitrary, or > elitist > We have to start somewhere. ;) > Or unfair > Hah > OK > i don't really think that people will have any objections > and, if they do, we can address them (or sucker them into > helping out as well) > (guilt works well ;)) > I think we're happy to have people who want to take > charge :) > That's the spirit ^_^ > We should up a process where somebody says "OK, I volunteer" > and the next step is Andrhia decides what to do about it :) > Hahahaah > OK > So I think what we just decided on was a self-selected > steering committee or people who have the list password and get the > admin emails > and, that way, i think that the more natural leaders and > active types will fall into the admin role a bit more organically > er, of people > I'm not sure what to do about the IGDA stuff > There's a SIG-leader email list > So, does the IGDA want to have someone designated the sole > leader of the SIG? > But with the situation with the IGDA what it is, I'm not > sure HOW I would get anybody else onto that list > I think not a sole leader, but they need to know who to talk > to? > Ah, right... > well, perhaps we should wait that out > a) until igda leadership re-solidifies > *nod* > b) until we get a better feel over who the more active > sig-admin types are > we'll probably be able to make a better judgment of things > then > OK > So basically I'll hang out as the acting chairman because > I'm already on the list? > yep :) > And you're doing such a good job. ;) > i think anyway > * Andres agrees > and, yeah, you're doing a good job > Hahah > Well, thank you > This has been a big, horrible thing hanging over my head > And you have all been so very nice to me today ^_^ > well, if you'd rather we can all pounce > OMG WHO IS THIS ANDRHIA CHICK AND WHY DOES SHE SUCK SO MUCH?! > So I think what we can do is post a transcript of this > Pahahah > See, what you don't know is, that's *totally what I always > expect to get* > Yeah, I think I know the feeling... > ..I might be a little neurotic > Anyway, here are my next actions, I think > I'll post the transcript or maybe talk one of you into doing > it > that's why I quit volunteering for stuff... I'm just sure > I'll screw it up :P > Everyone who wants to volunteer for our steering commitee > thing say on the list "Yeah, I sign up" > And sometime over the weekend I'll put together a Welcome > New Administrator! package with some information in it > Is that cool? > sounds good :) > OK, cool > Yep! > And that gives other people on the list a few days to > comment in case the OMG WH DOES ANDREA SUCK SO MUCH contingent wants a > little more input > > ===== > End of transcript > > _______________________________________________ > ARG_Discuss mailing list > ARG_Discuss at igda.org > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss > Wendy Despain quantumcontent.com From btradish at earthlink.net Fri May 15 22:56:27 2009 From: btradish at earthlink.net (John Evans) Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 22:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [arg_discuss] ARG SIG meeting: Transcript Message-ID: <16592059.1242442587587.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> >> Everyone who wants to volunteer for our steering commitee >> thing say on the list "Yeah, I sign up" I'll throw my hand in too! -- John Evans Chaoseed Software - http://chaoseed.com From neekono at gmail.com Sat May 16 15:27:22 2009 From: neekono at gmail.com (N. D.) Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 15:27:22 -0400 Subject: [arg_discuss] ARG SIG meeting: Transcript In-Reply-To: <23334569.1242406007106.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <23334569.1242406007106.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <84532ee40905161227p6665c4f8ge19c0ffa9c428e37@mail.gmail.com> So far I've been more of a lurker than anything else, but if I can help in some way, I would like to. I'm an undergrad student in Orlando, Florida, and part of a group that has been experimenting with ARGs for a few months. I would love to see this group and this game genre grow and develop, so I volunteer! : ) On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM, John Evans wrote: > This is a transcript of the short ARG SIG online meeting that happened > today. > There will be an official summary posted later if you don't want to read > the whole thing; basically the meeting was about the governance of the > SIG in the sense of interfacing with the IGDA. > > Beginning of transcript > ===== > Hmm > I guess this is probably late enough > So HEAR HEAR > I call to order this historic event in which we take our > governance into our own hands &c &c > So here's the basic problem, as I see it. > We need some minimal governance to do things like maintain the > email list and interface with the IGDA > This stuff in particular is complicated right now, because > there's a search on for a new executive director of the IGDA -- I think > Jason is stepping down > So it's not just us, the whole organization is in a kind of > transitional phase right now > I can just keep doing this stuff to my existing standard, such > that it is, and that's fine, if everybody thinks it's OK > But I feel really weird about that, because two of the other > three founding members of the leadership council have bowed out, and nobody > chose me to be here, I just kind of volunteered. > And I think if somebody else would like to have a crack at it, > that would be really great. > heh, such is the way with the world. that's why you shouldn't > volunteer for things ;) > But aside from those boring day-to-day administrative things, > there's the looming issue of the SIG and what we want to do with it and how > all of THAT should be orgnized > So we have, ex., ARGology, or Topics of the Week, or weekly chats > M-hm... > Great ideas that are executed for a little while and then lose > steam > (Imbri: Oh god, so I've learned) > Anyway, I feel like as any sort of a leader, my great failure > here is in not keeping these things going on my own steam > as far as losing steam on various project, i think that's natural > and normal > And maybe the solution there is to wave our hands and say that > these should be committee-run or volunteer run > Or maybe we make a, I don't know, a sign-up sheet, and you can be > the person making topic of the week for June, and you can do July... > not only are these projects volunteer based, but they're about a > (fairly) new form of entertainment which is changing and updating and filled > with people who do not want to define things and box things in > Haha > Yeah. > so it's hard to commit to things because "omg what if we stifle > creativity!" > Im just wicked jealous of the writer's SIG > They *totally write books* > And then *get them published* > It's amazing > well, it's got a few years on us and a larger pool of people to > draw from > Yeah, they *are* pretty awesome. ;) > Shhh! > a lot of these problems are, probably, membership issues > * Andres slaps himself > which is a chicken/egg thing > Yeah, maybe > you can't draw in the members without showing worth, you need the > members to do stuff to show the worth > *nod* > I wonder what our actual membership number is right now > But, if you just start somewhere, you can start building > interest... > * Andrhia tries to find the link that might tell her > (playing the role of the cynic...) > Hmm > but to do things requires dedication which, in our history, seems > to feed off of positive feedback > Not as many as I'd thought! > We have 289 email list subscribers as of right now > and consistantly having time - which is a rarity in our field > because when stuff is going on, you drop off the planet for a month or so > Yes, you are correct > And that's one of the reasons I'm terrified of being the Sole > Supreme Administrator of the SIG > (you being whoever, not just *you*) > well, i'm willing to step in and help you out a bit > I'd like to help. I set up Argology and I got the "unsafe > warning" taken care of, so... > At the very least I really want to have a deputy who, you know, > has the moderation password and the email address of IGDA people to talk to > when something goes horribly awry > and can offer a combined hour or two a week > It doesn't even take that much time, honestly ^_^ > It's more of a "being there if the phone should happen to ring" > kind of situation > Hahaha > You're both all good in my book ^_^ > So I mean > I can help also if needed > ...do I just email around the list admin link and pwd? > Should we set up a process where somebody says "OK, I volunteer" > and the next step is "Any objections?" to the list? > ..my head hurts, wah wah > honestly, i'd say just email around the link & pwd > yep, +1 > I think I'm fundamentally afraid of seeming arbitrary, or elitist > We have to start somewhere. ;) > Or unfair > Hah > OK > i don't really think that people will have any objections > and, if they do, we can address them (or sucker them into helping > out as well) > (guilt works well ;)) > I think we're happy to have people who want to take charge :) > That's the spirit ^_^ > We should up a process where somebody says "OK, I volunteer" and > the next step is Andrhia decides what to do about it :) > Hahahaah > OK > So I think what we just decided on was a self-selected steering > committee or people who have the list password and get the admin emails > and, that way, i think that the more natural leaders and active > types will fall into the admin role a bit more organically > er, of people > I'm not sure what to do about the IGDA stuff > There's a SIG-leader email list > So, does the IGDA want to have someone designated the sole > leader of the SIG? > But with the situation with the IGDA what it is, I'm not sure HOW > I would get anybody else onto that list > I think not a sole leader, but they need to know who to talk to? > Ah, right... > well, perhaps we should wait that out > a) until igda leadership re-solidifies > *nod* > b) until we get a better feel over who the more active sig-admin > types are > we'll probably be able to make a better judgment of things then > OK > So basically I'll hang out as the acting chairman because I'm > already on the list? > yep :) > And you're doing such a good job. ;) > i think anyway > * Andres agrees > and, yeah, you're doing a good job > Hahah > Well, thank you > This has been a big, horrible thing hanging over my head > And you have all been so very nice to me today ^_^ > well, if you'd rather we can all pounce > OMG WHO IS THIS ANDRHIA CHICK AND WHY DOES SHE SUCK SO MUCH?! > So I think what we can do is post a transcript of this > Pahahah > See, what you don't know is, that's *totally what I always expect > to get* > Yeah, I think I know the feeling... > ..I might be a little neurotic > Anyway, here are my next actions, I think > I'll post the transcript or maybe talk one of you into doing it > that's why I quit volunteering for stuff... I'm just sure I'll > screw it up :P > Everyone who wants to volunteer for our steering commitee thing > say on the list "Yeah, I sign up" > And sometime over the weekend I'll put together a Welcome New > Administrator! package with some information in it > Is that cool? > sounds good :) > OK, cool > Yep! > And that gives other people on the list a few days to comment in > case the OMG WH DOES ANDREA SUCK SO MUCH contingent wants a little more > input > > ===== > End of transcript > > _______________________________________________ > ARG_Discuss mailing list > ARG_Discuss at igda.org > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss > From dominic.de.haas at gmail.com Sun May 17 05:56:57 2009 From: dominic.de.haas at gmail.com (Dominic de Haas) Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:56:57 +0200 Subject: [arg_discuss] ARG SIG meeting: Transcript In-Reply-To: <84532ee40905161227p6665c4f8ge19c0ffa9c428e37@mail.gmail.com> References: <23334569.1242406007106.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <84532ee40905161227p6665c4f8ge19c0ffa9c428e37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <400e08bc0905170256y61fb8e71p8624000b3b01a2b7@mail.gmail.com> Same here, I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to the genre. Haven't played any game yet, but decided to create one in stead. It ran for nearly 3 months and finished recently. So I do have some time on my hands to help with anything I can help with. Dominic On 5/16/09, N. D. wrote: > So far I've been more of a lurker than anything else, but if I can help in > some way, I would like to. I'm an undergrad student in Orlando, Florida, and > part of a group that has been experimenting with ARGs for a few months. > > I would love to see this group and this game genre grow and develop, so I > volunteer! : ) > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:46 PM, John Evans wrote: > >> This is a transcript of the short ARG SIG online meeting that happened >> today. >> There will be an official summary posted later if you don't want to read >> the whole thing; basically the meeting was about the governance of the >> SIG in the sense of interfacing with the IGDA. >> >> Beginning of transcript >> ===== >> Hmm >> I guess this is probably late enough >> So HEAR HEAR >> I call to order this historic event in which we take our >> governance into our own hands &c &c >> So here's the basic problem, as I see it. >> We need some minimal governance to do things like maintain the >> email list and interface with the IGDA >> This stuff in particular is complicated right now, because >> there's a search on for a new executive director of the IGDA -- I think >> Jason is stepping down >> So it's not just us, the whole organization is in a kind of >> transitional phase right now >> I can just keep doing this stuff to my existing standard, such >> that it is, and that's fine, if everybody thinks it's OK >> But I feel really weird about that, because two of the other >> three founding members of the leadership council have bowed out, and >> nobody >> chose me to be here, I just kind of volunteered. >> And I think if somebody else would like to have a crack at it, >> that would be really great. >> heh, such is the way with the world. that's why you shouldn't >> volunteer for things ;) >> But aside from those boring day-to-day administrative things, >> there's the looming issue of the SIG and what we want to do with it and >> how >> all of THAT should be orgnized >> So we have, ex., ARGology, or Topics of the Week, or weekly >> chats >> M-hm... >> Great ideas that are executed for a little while and then lose >> steam >> (Imbri: Oh god, so I've learned) >> Anyway, I feel like as any sort of a leader, my great failure >> here is in not keeping these things going on my own steam >> as far as losing steam on various project, i think that's natural >> and normal >> And maybe the solution there is to wave our hands and say that >> these should be committee-run or volunteer run >> Or maybe we make a, I don't know, a sign-up sheet, and you can >> be >> the person making topic of the week for June, and you can do July... >> not only are these projects volunteer based, but they're about a >> (fairly) new form of entertainment which is changing and updating and >> filled >> with people who do not want to define things and box things in >> Haha >> Yeah. >> so it's hard to commit to things because "omg what if we stifle >> creativity!" >> Im just wicked jealous of the writer's SIG >> They *totally write books* >> And then *get them published* >> It's amazing >> well, it's got a few years on us and a larger pool of people to >> draw from >> Yeah, they *are* pretty awesome. ;) >> Shhh! >> a lot of these problems are, probably, membership issues >> * Andres slaps himself >>