[arg_discuss] the umbrella (was RE: arg list)

[Wendy Despain]

It sounds like maybe you're looking for "mind mapping" software. Do a
google search on "mind map" and see if any of the links there are
suitable.

Wendy Despain
quantumcontent.com


On Fri, April 3, 2009 10:26 am, Brian Clark wrote:

> Forking this off of "the arg list" discussion, but can't keep my

> fingers out

> of the semantical. Making lists and timelines and databases is great,

> but it

> immediately begs the definition question: what counts as an element

> and what

> doesn't is intrinsic in the discussion.

>

> Personally, I'm past the point of worrying about the semantic parsing

> of

> ARG. I'm far more interested in the concept of the meta-definition,

> the

> umbrella that contains the most stuff that most people thing are "ish"

> and

> how we label that across the whole variety.

>

> I wonder if we wouldn't be served to think about that, and see if we

> can let

> descriptive taxonomy guide the definition. If could envision the

> "ultimate

> solution" the physical equivalent would be -- write down each ARG on a

> card,

> and tape them up to the wall in a way where "more alike" are closer to

> each

> in location than "more different" projects are. Go ahead and throw as

> much

> context as necessary on the cards. Where are the clots of similar

> projects

> and what are their defining traits (and thus, what else is "near" to

> them)?

> Which of the clots fall into "ARG" category, how many into

> "significantly

> ARG-like" and how many into the "tends not to be high-related to

> ARGness"?

>

> Then I think, "there's a dissertation worth of dialog" to make that

> happen,

> even with the right tool. Does any of the existing efforts (wiki on

> through)

> potentially serve as platform adaptable to that kind of "clustering"

> approach?

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org

> [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On

> Behalf Of Steve Peters

> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 12:26 PM

> To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG

> Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] arg list

>

> It seems to me we're trying to reinvent the wheel here, to a certain

> extent.

> While the main interface to ARGDB was never really finished, there is

> already a WIKI there that is a really good start. I think it would be

> much

> more valuable to have actual WIKI space that can give detailed

> information

> about an ARG than to just have a spreadsheet somewhere.

>

> Anyway, the framework's there at http://wiki.argdb.com. It should be

> pretty

> simple to just start editing away and insert info about the games

> we've

> worked on. It'd be nice if someone came up with a standard credit/info

> box

> format for each game, but beyond that, folks can just start editing

> away!

>

> And if there's anyone with programming chops, take a look at the main

> ARGDB

> interface. It's a really good start and if finished would basically be

> an

> IMDB for ARGs if anyone wanted to take it on. :)

>

> Steve

>

>

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>

> On 4/3/09 9:08 AM, "Wendy Despain" <wendeth at wendydespain.com> wrote:

>

>>

>> Well, I decided not to add the projects I've been involved in,

>> because

>> although I call them ARGs, nobody else can agree on what to call

>> them.

>> They resemble the Lost Experience and Regenesis the most, I suppose.

>>

>> But they happened prior to 2001, and it seemed inappropriate to put

>> them first on this list ordered by date.

>>

>> What agony this kind of list-building is!

>>

>> Wendy Despain

>> quantumcontent.com

>>

>>

>> On Fri, April 3, 2009 9:03 am, Brian Clark wrote:

>>>> I don't know, and it's probably a matter of semantics, whether

>>>> you want to distinguish "ARG" from "ARE".

>>>

>>> We've done such a great job of answering the "what is an ARG"

>>> question

>>> that

>>> we're totally qualified to add "what is an ARE" and "how is an ARE

>>> different

>>> than ARG" to the pile.

>>>

>>> My personal opinion, we lack an umbrella term. Makes it hard for me

>>> parse

>>> out meaning in statements like:

>>>

>>>> one could argue "games" like Cloverfield were AREs as well

>>>

>>> I think that starts to overextend the ARE label as I understand it.

>>> There

>>> was the "hope by the fans" of an E at the end of the AR (which in

>>> this

>>> case

>>> was just F.)

>>>

>>> But I can imagine some umbrella that would contain it.

>>>

>>> -----Original Message-----

>>> From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org

>>> [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On

>>> Behalf Of David Flor

>>> Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 11:54 AM

>>> To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG

>>> Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] arg list

>>>

>>> Added the ones I was involved with or are directly familiar with

>>> (White Island, for example), as well as went through and edited

>>> some

>>> that I was very familiar with as a player.

>>>

>>> I don't know, and it's probably a matter of semantics, whether you

>>> want to distinguish "ARG" from "ARE". The Lost Experience was

>>> self-labeled as an "ARE", and one could argue "games" like

>>> Cloverfield

>>> were AREs as well.

>>>

>>> And do you want to list ARGs that have been announced but not

>>> launched

>>> yet, such as our own "Rachel's Walk"?

>>>

>>> Tnx & Rgds...

>>> David Flor

>>> Darklight Interactive

>>> "Omne ignotum pro magnifico"

>>>

>>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 6:04 AM,  <marcus.helm at gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> I've shared a document with you called "arg list":

>>>>

>>>

> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pE0znztln2kmQruQyplrzeA&inv=arg_discu

>>> ss at igda.org

>>>>

>>>> It's not an attachment -- it's stored online at Google Docs. To

>>>> open

>>>> this

>>>> document, just click the link above.

>>>>

>>>> As mentioned earlier this week, I have begun compiling spreadsheet

>>>> of

>>>> ARG's towards getting a listing of the all the brands that have

>>>> worked

>>>> with ARGs as well as a listing of independent ARG's for ARGology.

>>>> Its attached here as an Excel spreadsheet and is very much in the

>>>> draft

>>>> stage.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> I urge one and all to cast an eye over it, correct mistakes and

>>>> fill

>>>> any missing info including the many games that I appologise for

>>>> not

>>>> including already. Im also open to persuasion about what

>>>> constituties

>>>> and ARG as there are likely to be some contentious inclusions.

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