From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Thu May  1 23:13:46 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:13:46 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
In-Reply-To: <ca93830d0804270905r55a8a945s787af3e021fe58f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080502031904.BFMX1196.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>


OK. Wohoo!

Sorry for the gap in getting back to this. I wanted to make sure I heard
from Adam and Andrea and then I went a travelling. :)

So, we can do this! 

We can create the site and if the new IGDA facilities answer our needs, then
we can easily export the data and forward the URL. But if we decide to keep
the site, then the portal/resource can be an initiative of the SIG. 

Right, first steps then seem to be:

1) DOMAIN NAME
The domain name needs to be easy to remember and indicates the content of
the site efficiently (and is fun!?). Here are the URLs suggested so far (in
no particular order):

a) ARGosy.com
b) ARGology.com
c) ARGnology.com
d) ARGsRUs.com

Any other suggestions? Fire away!

Can someone set up a poll that we can use to vote on the URL?
Do we want it to be .com or .org? 

2) SOFTWARE + HOSTING
As for software, I think a blog type style for the front part. (We can
change this anytime of course.) The blog software is pretty easy to use for
everyone, enables us to have posts indicating updates and pages for each
initiative. Or perhaps someone recommends Moodle instead or some other
software? And then have a wiki and forum as well. 

Who wants to host? It needs to be either free or at low cost. John Evans,
did you put your hand up? 

3) INITIATIVES 
We can keep adding initiatives as we like, but so far we have:

* Annotated bibliography - Driver: Colin McNee? Team members: Colin, Christy
Dena + ...
* ARG Developers - ...
* Business Models - ...
* History of ARGs - ...
* Antecedents to ARGs - Driver: Bryan Alexander? ...
* ARG Design - Driver: Jan Libby? ...
* ARGs in Education & Training - ...
* ARG Research - ...
* ARG player demographics? - Driver: Michelle Senderhauf? ...
* ARG definitions - ...

Others you'd like to see?
Suggest website addresses and books you think would be good to link to?
Throw your name in!

4) VOLUNTEERS
Those ace people who have already thrown their hat in to contribute to the
initiative: Michelle Senderhauf, Bryan Alexander, Jan Libby, Colin McNee,
Adrien Marie...

Over to you!

:)

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Martin
Sent: Monday, 28 April 2008 02:06
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward?

2008/4/25 Andrea Phillips <andrhia at gmail.com>:
> It seems like a very sound idea in principle. The thing that would
>  hold me back from a "Yay, let's go!" is the fact that the IGDA is in
>  the (arduously slow) process of revamping the entire SIG system, and
>  that's going to effect everything from the mailing lists to websites
>  and funding allocation.

Yep, it's dragged on for a while. However, in all the meetings and
discussions recently, it's been underlined that SIG's shouldn't allow
this uncertainty to keep them from doing things right now - IGDA has
been encouraging us to just get on with stuff, and they'll handle on
an ad-hoc basis any issues that come up. So long as we keep them
informed, I'm sure it'll be fine.

>  Definitely something to discuss at the next IRC meeting, which we
>  should have soonish, shouldn't we? Any thoughts on a good date? I seem
>  to pick ones that conflict with big conferences! >_<

May IRC:

Key holidays and conferences from some quick googling:
 - US has Memorial Day on the 26th
 - UK has two major bank holiday weekends, 3rd-5th, and 24th-26th
 - ION conference, may 13th-15th
 - Nordic Game conference, may 14th-15th

Howabout Saturday 10th May (or Sunday 18th May - but I'd prefer sooner
rather than later)?
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From iaskwith at MIT.EDU  Thu May  1 23:21:28 2008
From: iaskwith at MIT.EDU (Ivan Askwith)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 23:21:28 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
In-Reply-To: <20080502031904.BFMX1196.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
References: <20080502031904.BFMX1196.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
Message-ID: <E294AC92-028D-494C-9D60-F09936B0E4CD@mit.edu>


I'm more than willing to host, and can do one-click installations of  
MediaWiki, WordPress, and all sorts of other fun things.  Would be  
glad to be able to give something back to this group. :)

>
> OK. Wohoo!
>
> Sorry for the gap in getting back to this. I wanted to make sure I  
> heard
> from Adam and Andrea and then I went a travelling. :)
>
> So, we can do this!
>
> We can create the site and if the new IGDA facilities answer our  
> needs, then
> we can easily export the data and forward the URL. But if we decide  
> to keep
> the site, then the portal/resource can be an initiative of the SIG.
>
> Right, first steps then seem to be:
>
> 1) DOMAIN NAME
> The domain name needs to be easy to remember and indicates the  
> content of
> the site efficiently (and is fun!?). Here are the URLs suggested so  
> far (in
> no particular order):
>
> a) ARGosy.com
> b) ARGology.com
> c) ARGnology.com
> d) ARGsRUs.com
>
> Any other suggestions? Fire away!
>
> Can someone set up a poll that we can use to vote on the URL?
> Do we want it to be .com or .org?
>
> 2) SOFTWARE + HOSTING
> As for software, I think a blog type style for the front part. (We can
> change this anytime of course.) The blog software is pretty easy to  
> use for
> everyone, enables us to have posts indicating updates and pages for  
> each
> initiative. Or perhaps someone recommends Moodle instead or some other
> software? And then have a wiki and forum as well.
>
> Who wants to host? It needs to be either free or at low cost. John  
> Evans,
> did you put your hand up?
>
> 3) INITIATIVES
> We can keep adding initiatives as we like, but so far we have:
>
> * Annotated bibliography - Driver: Colin McNee? Team members: Colin,  
> Christy
> Dena + ...
> * ARG Developers - ...
> * Business Models - ...
> * History of ARGs - ...
> * Antecedents to ARGs - Driver: Bryan Alexander? ...
> * ARG Design - Driver: Jan Libby? ...
> * ARGs in Education & Training - ...
> * ARG Research - ...
> * ARG player demographics? - Driver: Michelle Senderhauf? ...
> * ARG definitions - ...
>
> Others you'd like to see?
> Suggest website addresses and books you think would be good to link  
> to?
> Throw your name in!
>
> 4) VOLUNTEERS
> Those ace people who have already thrown their hat in to contribute  
> to the
> initiative: Michelle Senderhauf, Bryan Alexander, Jan Libby, Colin  
> McNee,
> Adrien Marie...
>
> Over to you!
>
> :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Adam Martin
> Sent: Monday, 28 April 2008 02:06
> To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
> Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward?
>
> 2008/4/25 Andrea Phillips <andrhia at gmail.com>:
>> It seems like a very sound idea in principle. The thing that would
>> hold me back from a "Yay, let's go!" is the fact that the IGDA is in
>> the (arduously slow) process of revamping the entire SIG system, and
>> that's going to effect everything from the mailing lists to websites
>> and funding allocation.
>
> Yep, it's dragged on for a while. However, in all the meetings and
> discussions recently, it's been underlined that SIG's shouldn't allow
> this uncertainty to keep them from doing things right now - IGDA has
> been encouraging us to just get on with stuff, and they'll handle on
> an ad-hoc basis any issues that come up. So long as we keep them
> informed, I'm sure it'll be fine.
>
>> Definitely something to discuss at the next IRC meeting, which we
>> should have soonish, shouldn't we? Any thoughts on a good date? I  
>> seem
>> to pick ones that conflict with big conferences! >_<
>
> May IRC:
>
> Key holidays and conferences from some quick googling:
> - US has Memorial Day on the 26th
> - UK has two major bank holiday weekends, 3rd-5th, and 24th-26th
> - ION conference, may 13th-15th
> - Nordic Game conference, may 14th-15th
>
> Howabout Saturday 10th May (or Sunday 18th May - but I'd prefer sooner
> rather than later)?
> _______________________________________________
> ARG_Discuss mailing list
> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> ARG_Discuss mailing list
> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss


From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Thu May  1 23:43:05 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:43:05 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
In-Reply-To: <E294AC92-028D-494C-9D60-F09936B0E4CD@mit.edu>
Message-ID: <20080502034823.WIGO1861.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>



OK, ace Ivan! Just got to hear from John first to check on what he offered
initially too, then we can go ahead either way. This is going smooooth. :)

Need to decide on the URL quick smart!...

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Ivan Askwith
Sent: Friday, 2 May 2008 13:21
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps


I'm more than willing to host, and can do one-click installations of  
MediaWiki, WordPress, and all sorts of other fun things.  Would be  
glad to be able to give something back to this group. :)

>
> OK. Wohoo!
>
> Sorry for the gap in getting back to this. I wanted to make sure I  
> heard
> from Adam and Andrea and then I went a travelling. :)
>
> So, we can do this!
>
> We can create the site and if the new IGDA facilities answer our  
> needs, then
> we can easily export the data and forward the URL. But if we decide  
> to keep
> the site, then the portal/resource can be an initiative of the SIG.
>
> Right, first steps then seem to be:
>
> 1) DOMAIN NAME
> The domain name needs to be easy to remember and indicates the  
> content of
> the site efficiently (and is fun!?). Here are the URLs suggested so  
> far (in
> no particular order):
>
> a) ARGosy.com
> b) ARGology.com
> c) ARGnology.com
> d) ARGsRUs.com
>
> Any other suggestions? Fire away!
>
> Can someone set up a poll that we can use to vote on the URL?
> Do we want it to be .com or .org?
>
> 2) SOFTWARE + HOSTING
> As for software, I think a blog type style for the front part. (We can
> change this anytime of course.) The blog software is pretty easy to  
> use for
> everyone, enables us to have posts indicating updates and pages for  
> each
> initiative. Or perhaps someone recommends Moodle instead or some other
> software? And then have a wiki and forum as well.
>
> Who wants to host? It needs to be either free or at low cost. John  
> Evans,
> did you put your hand up?
>
> 3) INITIATIVES
> We can keep adding initiatives as we like, but so far we have:
>
> * Annotated bibliography - Driver: Colin McNee? Team members: Colin,  
> Christy
> Dena + ...
> * ARG Developers - ...
> * Business Models - ...
> * History of ARGs - ...
> * Antecedents to ARGs - Driver: Bryan Alexander? ...
> * ARG Design - Driver: Jan Libby? ...
> * ARGs in Education & Training - ...
> * ARG Research - ...
> * ARG player demographics? - Driver: Michelle Senderhauf? ...
> * ARG definitions - ...
>
> Others you'd like to see?
> Suggest website addresses and books you think would be good to link  
> to?
> Throw your name in!
>
> 4) VOLUNTEERS
> Those ace people who have already thrown their hat in to contribute  
> to the
> initiative: Michelle Senderhauf, Bryan Alexander, Jan Libby, Colin  
> McNee,
> Adrien Marie...
>
> Over to you!
>
> :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Adam Martin
> Sent: Monday, 28 April 2008 02:06
> To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
> Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward?
>
> 2008/4/25 Andrea Phillips <andrhia at gmail.com>:
>> It seems like a very sound idea in principle. The thing that would
>> hold me back from a "Yay, let's go!" is the fact that the IGDA is in
>> the (arduously slow) process of revamping the entire SIG system, and
>> that's going to effect everything from the mailing lists to websites
>> and funding allocation.
>
> Yep, it's dragged on for a while. However, in all the meetings and
> discussions recently, it's been underlined that SIG's shouldn't allow
> this uncertainty to keep them from doing things right now - IGDA has
> been encouraging us to just get on with stuff, and they'll handle on
> an ad-hoc basis any issues that come up. So long as we keep them
> informed, I'm sure it'll be fine.
>
>> Definitely something to discuss at the next IRC meeting, which we
>> should have soonish, shouldn't we? Any thoughts on a good date? I  
>> seem
>> to pick ones that conflict with big conferences! >_<
>
> May IRC:
>
> Key holidays and conferences from some quick googling:
> - US has Memorial Day on the 26th
> - UK has two major bank holiday weekends, 3rd-5th, and 24th-26th
> - ION conference, may 13th-15th
> - Nordic Game conference, may 14th-15th
>
> Howabout Saturday 10th May (or Sunday 18th May - but I'd prefer sooner
> rather than later)?
> _______________________________________________
> ARG_Discuss mailing list
> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> ARG_Discuss mailing list
> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss

_______________________________________________
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From me at addlepated.net  Thu May  1 23:50:39 2008
From: me at addlepated.net (D. Cook)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 22:50:39 -0500
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
In-Reply-To: <20080502034823.WIGO1861.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
References: <20080502034823.WIGO1861.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
Message-ID: <30E195FB-3F5B-4458-9789-2CC49502CB6B@addlepated.net>

I like "ARGology" with no 'N.'
On May 1, 2008, at 10:43 PM, Christy Dena wrote:
>
>
> OK, ace Ivan! Just got to hear from John first to check on what he  
> offered
> initially too, then we can go ahead either way. This is going  
> smooooth. :)


From andrhia at gmail.com  Thu May  1 23:54:22 2008
From: andrhia at gmail.com (Andrea Phillips)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 23:54:22 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
In-Reply-To: <30E195FB-3F5B-4458-9789-2CC49502CB6B@addlepated.net>
References: <20080502034823.WIGO1861.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
	<30E195FB-3F5B-4458-9789-2CC49502CB6B@addlepated.net>
Message-ID: <5c799fd60805012054n5f48912cgd052e33ac0891633@mail.gmail.com>

Ditto like ARGology with no N.

(Go Christy! You're my hero!)

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:50 PM, D. Cook <me at addlepated.net> wrote:
> I like "ARGology" with no 'N.'
>
>  On May 1, 2008, at 10:43 PM, Christy Dena wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > OK, ace Ivan! Just got to hear from John first to check on what he offered
> > initially too, then we can go ahead either way. This is going smooooth. :)
> >
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  ARG_Discuss mailing list
>  ARG_Discuss at igda.org
>  http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>



-- 
Andrea Phillips
andrhia at gmail.com
http://www.deusexmachinatio.com
Words * Culture * Interaction

From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Thu May  1 23:54:19 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 13:54:19 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
In-Reply-To: <5c799fd60805012054n5f48912cgd052e33ac0891633@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080502035937.WTGY1861.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>


hehe

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Andrea Phillips
Sent: Friday, 2 May 2008 13:54
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps

Ditto like ARGology with no N.

(Go Christy! You're my hero!)

On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:50 PM, D. Cook <me at addlepated.net> wrote:
> I like "ARGology" with no 'N.'
>
>  On May 1, 2008, at 10:43 PM, Christy Dena wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > OK, ace Ivan! Just got to hear from John first to check on what he
offered
> > initially too, then we can go ahead either way. This is going smooooth.
:)
> >
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  ARG_Discuss mailing list
>  ARG_Discuss at igda.org
>  http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>



-- 
Andrea Phillips
andrhia at gmail.com
http://www.deusexmachinatio.com
Words * Culture * Interaction
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ARG_Discuss at igda.org
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss


From colinmcnee at yahoo.com  Fri May  2 00:31:10 2008
From: colinmcnee at yahoo.com (Colin McNee)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 21:31:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
In-Reply-To: <20080502035937.WTGY1861.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
Message-ID: <492141.88024.qm@web63302.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I'm in,
I also dig ARGology
Let me know what I can do to help get this going.
Colin

--- Christy Dena <cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com>
wrote:

> 
> hehe
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org
> [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
> Behalf Of Andrea Phillips
> Sent: Friday, 2 May 2008 13:54
> To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
> Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? -
> first steps
> 
> Ditto like ARGology with no N.
> 
> (Go Christy! You're my hero!)
> 
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:50 PM, D. Cook
> <me at addlepated.net> wrote:
> > I like "ARGology" with no 'N.'
> >
> >  On May 1, 2008, at 10:43 PM, Christy Dena wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, ace Ivan! Just got to hear from John first
> to check on what he
> offered
> > > initially too, then we can go ahead either way.
> This is going smooooth.
> :)
> > >
> >
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  ARG_Discuss mailing list
> >  ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> > 
>
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Andrea Phillips
> andrhia at gmail.com
> http://www.deusexmachinatio.com
> Words * Culture * Interaction
> _______________________________________________
> ARG_Discuss mailing list
> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
>
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
> 
> _______________________________________________
> ARG_Discuss mailing list
> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
>
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
> 



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From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Fri May  2 00:34:48 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:34:48 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
In-Reply-To: <492141.88024.qm@web63302.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20080502044009.EKKK1196.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>


Excellent. Colin, how about starting work on the annotated bibliography? 


Who wants to start working on the list of ARG developers?...


-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Colin McNee
Sent: Friday, 2 May 2008 14:31
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps

I'm in,
I also dig ARGology
Let me know what I can do to help get this going.
Colin

--- Christy Dena <cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com>
wrote:

> 
> hehe
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org
> [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
> Behalf Of Andrea Phillips
> Sent: Friday, 2 May 2008 13:54
> To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
> Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? -
> first steps
> 
> Ditto like ARGology with no N.
> 
> (Go Christy! You're my hero!)
> 
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 11:50 PM, D. Cook
> <me at addlepated.net> wrote:
> > I like "ARGology" with no 'N.'
> >
> >  On May 1, 2008, at 10:43 PM, Christy Dena wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, ace Ivan! Just got to hear from John first
> to check on what he
> offered
> > > initially too, then we can go ahead either way.
> This is going smooooth.
> :)
> > >
> >
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> >  ARG_Discuss mailing list
> >  ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> > 
>
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Andrea Phillips
> andrhia at gmail.com
> http://www.deusexmachinatio.com
> Words * Culture * Interaction
> _______________________________________________
> ARG_Discuss mailing list
> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
>
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
> 
> _______________________________________________
> ARG_Discuss mailing list
> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
>
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
> 



 
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From btradish at earthlink.net  Fri May  2 01:34:29 2008
From: btradish at earthlink.net (John Evans)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 01:34:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
Message-ID: <14256755.1209706469988.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>2) SOFTWARE + HOSTING
>As for software, I think a blog type style for the front part. (We can
>change this anytime of course.) The blog software is pretty easy to use for
>everyone, enables us to have posts indicating updates and pages for each
>initiative. Or perhaps someone recommends Moodle instead or some other
>software? And then have a wiki and forum as well. 
>
>Who wants to host? It needs to be either free or at low cost. John Evans,
>did you put your hand up? 

Well, I have my Dreamhost account where I host a few websites. I've already
set up WordPress, MediaWiki, PHPBB forums (both 2 and 3), registered domain
names and written custom PHP stuff, so I have some experience with it.
There's even other stuff you can easily install, like Moodle. (I don't know
what that is, but I can set it up for you.) Also, I've got all sorts of
disk space and bandwidth, and I'd be happy to share some for the ARG SIG.
The only actual expense would be registering the domain, which is $9.95 a
year...Heck, I could donate that too. ;) Or someone else could register
the domain and point it to the site.

--John Evans
Chaoseed Software - http://chaoseed.com


From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Fri May  2 02:02:49 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 16:02:49 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
In-Reply-To: <14256755.1209706469988.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20080502060807.CGSS1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>



OK, yep, I thought you were offering to host, but wasn't sure. I think
because you were first to jump into the ring before the call to host was
asked, it is right that you should do it! That would be great John. :)

And given Ivan has generously also jumped in to help, perhaps Ivan can get
the domain name? ;P

Are you guys happy with that? Sorry for the mixup! 

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of John Evans
Sent: Friday, 2 May 2008 15:34
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps

>2) SOFTWARE + HOSTING
>As for software, I think a blog type style for the front part. (We can
>change this anytime of course.) The blog software is pretty easy to use for
>everyone, enables us to have posts indicating updates and pages for each
>initiative. Or perhaps someone recommends Moodle instead or some other
>software? And then have a wiki and forum as well. 
>
>Who wants to host? It needs to be either free or at low cost. John Evans,
>did you put your hand up? 

Well, I have my Dreamhost account where I host a few websites. I've already
set up WordPress, MediaWiki, PHPBB forums (both 2 and 3), registered domain
names and written custom PHP stuff, so I have some experience with it.
There's even other stuff you can easily install, like Moodle. (I don't know
what that is, but I can set it up for you.) Also, I've got all sorts of
disk space and bandwidth, and I'd be happy to share some for the ARG SIG.
The only actual expense would be registering the domain, which is $9.95 a
year...Heck, I could donate that too. ;) Or someone else could register
the domain and point it to the site.

--John Evans
Chaoseed Software - http://chaoseed.com

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From am14 at leicester.ac.uk  Fri May  2 04:44:30 2008
From: am14 at leicester.ac.uk (Moseley, A.)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 09:44:30 +0100
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
In-Reply-To: <mailman.270.1209703215.50808.arg_discuss@igda.org>
References: <mailman.270.1209703215.50808.arg_discuss@igda.org>
Message-ID: <439DB4BD66E08F40903F804806A77AB368E1CC37AB@EXC-MBX1.cfs.le.ac.uk>

Belated congratulations on the idea and rapidly rolling boulder, Christy.

As a former Archaeologist, I'm 'digging' ARGology too, and think we should be an .org

There may well be other, more qualified people around for the ARGs in Education section, but I'm very happy to take on some role with this one.

Again, there are almost certainly better graphic designers on here than me (a good freelancer at best), but as a fallback I'm happy to do logos etc.

Cheers!

Alex.


>I'm in,
>I also dig ARGology

_________________________________________
Alex Moseley, Principal Computer Officer,
Faculty of Arts, University of Leicester.
Tel: 0116 252 5317 | Email: am14 at le.ac.uk


From adrijackmarie at gmail.com  Fri May  2 05:04:30 2008
From: adrijackmarie at gmail.com (Adrien Marie)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:04:30 +0200
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
In-Reply-To: <439DB4BD66E08F40903F804806A77AB368E1CC37AB@EXC-MBX1.cfs.le.ac.uk>
References: <mailman.270.1209703215.50808.arg_discuss@igda.org>
	<439DB4BD66E08F40903F804806A77AB368E1CC37AB@EXC-MBX1.cfs.le.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <111e86d20805020204s264c47b6m150f069362f6345c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys !
I was out a few days but now back in the game..
I though of a pun between ARG and genealogy :
ArGeeenialoG.com and have been thinking that .com would probably sounds
better than .org just because arg and org are much too similar but il also
could be the fruit of my imagination..
Couldn't we use the allowed space for igda's member on their website for
this ?
Maybe one main page hosted independantly including numerous links to
member's pages in charge of each ARGology's topics could do the job, are you
people aware of the igda'member page facilities, it is working based on a
wiki-model apparently !
:)

Cheers.

2008/5/2 Moseley, A. <am14 at leicester.ac.uk>:

> Belated congratulations on the idea and rapidly rolling boulder, Christy.
>
> As a former Archaeologist, I'm 'digging' ARGology too, and think we should
> be an .org
>
> There may well be other, more qualified people around for the ARGs in
> Education section, but I'm very happy to take on some role with this one.
>
> Again, there are almost certainly better graphic designers on here than me
> (a good freelancer at best), but as a fallback I'm happy to do logos etc.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Alex.
>
>
> >I'm in,
> >I also dig ARGology
>
> _________________________________________
> Alex Moseley, Principal Computer Officer,
> Faculty of Arts, University of Leicester.
> Tel: 0116 252 5317 | Email: am14 at le.ac.uk
>
> _______________________________________________
> ARG_Discuss mailing list
> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>



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From mj_williams at mac.com  Fri May  2 05:17:37 2008
From: mj_williams at mac.com (Marc Williams)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:17:37 +0100
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
In-Reply-To: <20080502060807.CGSS1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
References: <20080502060807.CGSS1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
Message-ID: <526CE7EC-AFAE-4E99-BC20-92BD4501D9DE@mac.com>

Hi there,
Although I will probably use this splendid resource more than I'll be  
able to contribute to it, and not disliking Argology.org, may I humbly  
offer

ARGON.org?

Being as we're an Acronym to begin, I was playing about with the  
Alternate Reality Gaming Origination Network
and lest we forget, Argon is:
'The most abundant noble gas on Earth'

Club motto perhaps? ;o)

On 2 May 2008, at 07:02, Christy Dena wrote:



OK, yep, I thought you were offering to host, but wasn't sure. I think
because you were first to jump into the ring before the call to host was
asked, it is right that you should do it! That would be great John. :)

And given Ivan has generously also jumped in to help, perhaps Ivan can  
get
the domain name? ;P

Are you guys happy with that? Sorry for the mixup!

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss- 
bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of John Evans
Sent: Friday, 2 May 2008 15:34
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps

> 2) SOFTWARE + HOSTING
> As for software, I think a blog type style for the front part. (We can
> change this anytime of course.) The blog software is pretty easy to  
> use for
> everyone, enables us to have posts indicating updates and pages for  
> each
> initiative. Or perhaps someone recommends Moodle instead or some other
> software? And then have a wiki and forum as well.
>
> Who wants to host? It needs to be either free or at low cost. John  
> Evans,
> did you put your hand up?

Well, I have my Dreamhost account where I host a few websites. I've  
already
set up WordPress, MediaWiki, PHPBB forums (both 2 and 3), registered  
domain
names and written custom PHP stuff, so I have some experience with it.
There's even other stuff you can easily install, like Moodle. (I don't  
know
what that is, but I can set it up for you.) Also, I've got all sorts of
disk space and bandwidth, and I'd be happy to share some for the ARG  
SIG.
The only actual expense would be registering the domain, which is  
$9.95 a
year...Heck, I could donate that too. ;) Or someone else could register
the domain and point it to the site.

--John Evans
Chaoseed Software - http://chaoseed.com

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From adrijackmarie at gmail.com  Fri May  2 05:31:02 2008
From: adrijackmarie at gmail.com (Adrien Marie)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 11:31:02 +0200
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
In-Reply-To: <526CE7EC-AFAE-4E99-BC20-92BD4501D9DE@mac.com>
References: <20080502060807.CGSS1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
	<526CE7EC-AFAE-4E99-BC20-92BD4501D9DE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <111e86d20805020231o70bf8d2v6d67ebbd92d66cc7@mail.gmail.com>

Funny how it makes me think to Breaking Bad !
The TV Show is a bit scary but...

Wiki :
Argon (Greek <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language> meaning
"inactive,"
The Martian <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars> atmosphere in contrast
contains 1.6% of argon-40 and 5
ppm<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parts-per_notation>of argon-36.

2008/5/2 Marc Williams <mj_williams at mac.com>:

> Hi there,
> Although I will probably use this splendid resource more than I'll be able
> to contribute to it, and not disliking Argology.org, may I humbly offer
>
> ARGON.org?
>
> Being as we're an Acronym to begin, I was playing about with the Alternate
> Reality Gaming Origination Network
> and lest we forget, Argon is:
> 'The most abundant noble gas on Earth'
>
> Club motto perhaps? ;o)
>
>
> On 2 May 2008, at 07:02, Christy Dena wrote:
>
>
>
> OK, yep, I thought you were offering to host, but wasn't sure. I think
> because you were first to jump into the ring before the call to host was
> asked, it is right that you should do it! That would be great John. :)
>
> And given Ivan has generously also jumped in to help, perhaps Ivan can get
> the domain name? ;P
>
> Are you guys happy with that? Sorry for the mixup!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org]
> On
> Behalf Of John Evans
> Sent: Friday, 2 May 2008 15:34
> To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
> Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
>
>  2) SOFTWARE + HOSTING
> > As for software, I think a blog type style for the front part. (We can
> > change this anytime of course.) The blog software is pretty easy to use
> > for
> > everyone, enables us to have posts indicating updates and pages for each
> > initiative. Or perhaps someone recommends Moodle instead or some other
> > software? And then have a wiki and forum as well.
> >
> > Who wants to host? It needs to be either free or at low cost. John
> > Evans,
> > did you put your hand up?
> >
>
> Well, I have my Dreamhost account where I host a few websites. I've
> already
> set up WordPress, MediaWiki, PHPBB forums (both 2 and 3), registered
> domain
> names and written custom PHP stuff, so I have some experience with it.
> There's even other stuff you can easily install, like Moodle. (I don't
> know
> what that is, but I can set it up for you.) Also, I've got all sorts of
> disk space and bandwidth, and I'd be happy to share some for the ARG SIG.
> The only actual expense would be registering the domain, which is $9.95 a
> year...Heck, I could donate that too. ;) Or someone else could register
> the domain and point it to the site.
>
> --John Evans
> Chaoseed Software - http://chaoseed.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> ARG_Discuss mailing list
> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> ARG_Discuss mailing list
> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> ARG_Discuss mailing list
> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>



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-- 
--
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From Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org  Fri May  2 06:27:47 2008
From: Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org (Bryan Alexander)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 06:27:47 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
References: <20080502031904.BFMX1196.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
Message-ID: <08119B28F4B3FF46A5747921C9FAA67868B49D@AA1EXCH06.office.share.org>

Domain:  I like ARGosy and ARGology.

Software: blogs always work for me.  I groove on Moodle, but am not sure about how easily it can be made public.

Initiatives: those are good.

Christy's my hero, too.  Clearly we're building up her fan base even further.


-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org on behalf of Christy Dena
Sent: Thu 5/1/2008 11:13 PM
To: 'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
 

OK. Wohoo!

Sorry for the gap in getting back to this. I wanted to make sure I heard
from Adam and Andrea and then I went a travelling. :)

So, we can do this! 

We can create the site and if the new IGDA facilities answer our needs, then
we can easily export the data and forward the URL. But if we decide to keep
the site, then the portal/resource can be an initiative of the SIG. 

Right, first steps then seem to be:

1) DOMAIN NAME
The domain name needs to be easy to remember and indicates the content of
the site efficiently (and is fun!?). Here are the URLs suggested so far (in
no particular order):

a) ARGosy.com
b) ARGology.com
c) ARGnology.com
d) ARGsRUs.com

Any other suggestions? Fire away!

Can someone set up a poll that we can use to vote on the URL?
Do we want it to be .com or .org? 

2) SOFTWARE + HOSTING
As for software, I think a blog type style for the front part. (We can
change this anytime of course.) The blog software is pretty easy to use for
everyone, enables us to have posts indicating updates and pages for each
initiative. Or perhaps someone recommends Moodle instead or some other
software? And then have a wiki and forum as well. 

Who wants to host? It needs to be either free or at low cost. John Evans,
did you put your hand up? 

3) INITIATIVES 
We can keep adding initiatives as we like, but so far we have:

* Annotated bibliography - Driver: Colin McNee? Team members: Colin, Christy
Dena + ...
* ARG Developers - ...
* Business Models - ...
* History of ARGs - ...
* Antecedents to ARGs - Driver: Bryan Alexander? ...
* ARG Design - Driver: Jan Libby? ...
* ARGs in Education & Training - ...
* ARG Research - ...
* ARG player demographics? - Driver: Michelle Senderhauf? ...
* ARG definitions - ...

Others you'd like to see?
Suggest website addresses and books you think would be good to link to?
Throw your name in!

4) VOLUNTEERS
Those ace people who have already thrown their hat in to contribute to the
initiative: Michelle Senderhauf, Bryan Alexander, Jan Libby, Colin McNee,
Adrien Marie...

Over to you!

:)

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Martin
Sent: Monday, 28 April 2008 02:06
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward?

2008/4/25 Andrea Phillips <andrhia at gmail.com>:
> It seems like a very sound idea in principle. The thing that would
>  hold me back from a "Yay, let's go!" is the fact that the IGDA is in
>  the (arduously slow) process of revamping the entire SIG system, and
>  that's going to effect everything from the mailing lists to websites
>  and funding allocation.

Yep, it's dragged on for a while. However, in all the meetings and
discussions recently, it's been underlined that SIG's shouldn't allow
this uncertainty to keep them from doing things right now - IGDA has
been encouraging us to just get on with stuff, and they'll handle on
an ad-hoc basis any issues that come up. So long as we keep them
informed, I'm sure it'll be fine.

>  Definitely something to discuss at the next IRC meeting, which we
>  should have soonish, shouldn't we? Any thoughts on a good date? I seem
>  to pick ones that conflict with big conferences! >_<

May IRC:

Key holidays and conferences from some quick googling:
 - US has Memorial Day on the 26th
 - UK has two major bank holiday weekends, 3rd-5th, and 24th-26th
 - ION conference, may 13th-15th
 - Nordic Game conference, may 14th-15th

Howabout Saturday 10th May (or Sunday 18th May - but I'd prefer sooner
rather than later)?
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From varineq at gmail.com  Fri May  2 15:01:13 2008
From: varineq at gmail.com (varin)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:01:13 -0500
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
In-Reply-To: <08119B28F4B3FF46A5747921C9FAA67868B49D@AA1EXCH06.office.share.org>
References: <20080502031904.BFMX1196.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
	<08119B28F4B3FF46A5747921C9FAA67868B49D@AA1EXCH06.office.share.org>
Message-ID: <45cb08290805021201t719f3c1dy8b6f6afb43d03c72@mail.gmail.com>

* I definitely like ARGology.com the best.  ARGology.org is good too,
but if we go with that one I'd suggest reserving and redirecting
ARGology.com.

* Awww, player demographics?  That's no fun!  ;)  If you need any help
with the history or developers, I can help out with those too...
especially those from the early days.  Back when I was young, ARGs
always had a puzzle trail and a kidnapping... and we had to climb
uphill in the snow both ways.....

* Do you think this could be done by ARGfest?  It would make for a
nice launch date!

Michelle "varin" Senderhauf



On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Bryan Alexander
<Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org> wrote:
> Domain:  I like ARGosy and ARGology.
>
>  Software: blogs always work for me.  I groove on Moodle, but am not sure about how easily it can be made public.
>
>  Initiatives: those are good.
>
>  Christy's my hero, too.  Clearly we're building up her fan base even further.
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org on behalf of Christy Dena
>  Sent: Thu 5/1/2008 11:13 PM
>  To: 'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'
>
>
> Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
>
>
>  OK. Wohoo!
>
>  Sorry for the gap in getting back to this. I wanted to make sure I heard
>  from Adam and Andrea and then I went a travelling. :)
>
>  So, we can do this!
>
>  We can create the site and if the new IGDA facilities answer our needs, then
>  we can easily export the data and forward the URL. But if we decide to keep
>  the site, then the portal/resource can be an initiative of the SIG.
>
>  Right, first steps then seem to be:
>
>  1) DOMAIN NAME
>  The domain name needs to be easy to remember and indicates the content of
>  the site efficiently (and is fun!?). Here are the URLs suggested so far (in
>  no particular order):
>
>  a) ARGosy.com
>  b) ARGology.com
>  c) ARGnology.com
>  d) ARGsRUs.com
>
>  Any other suggestions? Fire away!
>
>  Can someone set up a poll that we can use to vote on the URL?
>  Do we want it to be .com or .org?
>
>  2) SOFTWARE + HOSTING
>  As for software, I think a blog type style for the front part. (We can
>  change this anytime of course.) The blog software is pretty easy to use for
>  everyone, enables us to have posts indicating updates and pages for each
>  initiative. Or perhaps someone recommends Moodle instead or some other
>  software? And then have a wiki and forum as well.
>
>  Who wants to host? It needs to be either free or at low cost. John Evans,
>  did you put your hand up?
>
>  3) INITIATIVES
>  We can keep adding initiatives as we like, but so far we have:
>
>  * Annotated bibliography - Driver: Colin McNee? Team members: Colin, Christy
>  Dena + ...
>  * ARG Developers - ...
>  * Business Models - ...
>  * History of ARGs - ...
>  * Antecedents to ARGs - Driver: Bryan Alexander? ...
>  * ARG Design - Driver: Jan Libby? ...
>  * ARGs in Education & Training - ...
>  * ARG Research - ...
>  * ARG player demographics? - Driver: Michelle Senderhauf? ...
>  * ARG definitions - ...
>
>  Others you'd like to see?
>  Suggest website addresses and books you think would be good to link to?
>  Throw your name in!
>
>  4) VOLUNTEERS
>  Those ace people who have already thrown their hat in to contribute to the
>  initiative: Michelle Senderhauf, Bryan Alexander, Jan Libby, Colin McNee,
>  Adrien Marie...
>
>  Over to you!
>
>  :)
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
>  Behalf Of Adam Martin
>  Sent: Monday, 28 April 2008 02:06
>  To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
>  Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward?
>
>  2008/4/25 Andrea Phillips <andrhia at gmail.com>:
>  > It seems like a very sound idea in principle. The thing that would
>  >  hold me back from a "Yay, let's go!" is the fact that the IGDA is in
>  >  the (arduously slow) process of revamping the entire SIG system, and
>  >  that's going to effect everything from the mailing lists to websites
>  >  and funding allocation.
>
>  Yep, it's dragged on for a while. However, in all the meetings and
>  discussions recently, it's been underlined that SIG's shouldn't allow
>  this uncertainty to keep them from doing things right now - IGDA has
>  been encouraging us to just get on with stuff, and they'll handle on
>  an ad-hoc basis any issues that come up. So long as we keep them
>  informed, I'm sure it'll be fine.
>
>  >  Definitely something to discuss at the next IRC meeting, which we
>  >  should have soonish, shouldn't we? Any thoughts on a good date? I seem
>  >  to pick ones that conflict with big conferences! >_<
>
>  May IRC:
>
>  Key holidays and conferences from some quick googling:
>   - US has Memorial Day on the 26th
>   - UK has two major bank holiday weekends, 3rd-5th, and 24th-26th
>   - ION conference, may 13th-15th
>   - Nordic Game conference, may 14th-15th
>
>  Howabout Saturday 10th May (or Sunday 18th May - but I'd prefer sooner
>  rather than later)?
>  _______________________________________________
>  ARG_Discuss mailing list
>  ARG_Discuss at igda.org
>  http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  ARG_Discuss mailing list
>  ARG_Discuss at igda.org
>  http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  ARG_Discuss mailing list
>  ARG_Discuss at igda.org
>  http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>

From adam.m.s.martin at googlemail.com  Sun May  4 06:44:53 2008
From: adam.m.s.martin at googlemail.com (Adam Martin)
Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:44:53 +0100
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps
In-Reply-To: <14256755.1209706469988.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <14256755.1209706469988.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <ca93830d0805040344n78c21b96if4aae735bfdefb38@mail.gmail.com>

On 02/05/2008, John Evans <btradish at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >2) SOFTWARE + HOSTING
> >As for software, I think a blog type style for the front part. (We can
> >change this anytime of course.) The blog software is pretty easy to use for
> >everyone, enables us to have posts indicating updates and pages for each
> >initiative. Or perhaps someone recommends Moodle instead or some other
> >software? And then have a wiki and forum as well.
> >
> >Who wants to host? It needs to be either free or at low cost. John Evans,
> >did you put your hand up?

Wow - great to see not one but multiple offers of hosting :).

The IGDA hosting is free but has been less than ideal :(.

I think nearly all problems to date came down to:
 - lack of direct access to ssh/ftp install plugins and new software
 - lack of direct access to webserver root and config

Wherever its hosted we also need to be sure we can get the data out
easily, both for backups and if we ever need to move it (I've been
bitten by that before).

Similar need for access applies to domain registration. We need to
have several people with admin access to the domain and each able to
pay renewal fees. Its very hard to workaround this stuff when your
site disappears at renewal time :).

Is that possible?

> Well, I have my Dreamhost account where I host a few websites.

Cool. If you've got DB and ssh or ftp access that should be fine.

If not, I've got a spare dedicated server that's currently just
running some simple wordpess blogs and is ridiculously overpowered for
what it's doing.

From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Sun May  4 10:22:32 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 00:22:32 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps - catch-up
In-Reply-To: <ca93830d0805040344n78c21b96if4aae735bfdefb38@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080504142753.NKLQ1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>

Great!

OK, here is your catch-up/storysofar/recap email. :) 

On the 25th April I was surfing the web when I stumbled upon...nah. hehe. 

1) DOMAIN NAME
Thanks to all the ace folks who dreamed up a domain name: Michelle
Senderhauf, Jan Libby, Bryan Alexander, Adrien Marie and Marc Williams. I
know many of you have put in your votes through email but I've created a
poll. The reason being I figure that more people may vote if it is
anonymous, and we can have a set structure and end time for the poll. This
will come through in an email following this one. Let me know if I got
something wrong on it! 

2) SOFTWARE + HOSTING
Great! We have three offers to host (well 4 actually, as I was going to be a
back-up): John Evans, Ivan Askwith and Adam Martin! John was first off the
rank and so looks like that is a go. [Adam, DH has ssh & ftp & sftp access
etc with the ability to set privileges for different users so should be OK.
But John can confirm.]

3) INITIATIVES
I've moved, added and deleted names according to those ace people who voiced
their preferences and those who didn't. Lots more to fill!

* Annotated bibliography - Driver: Colin McNee? Team members: Colin, Christy
Dena + ...
* ARG Developers - Driver: Michelle Senderhauf. Team members: Christy Dena +
* Business Models - ...
* History of ARGs - Driver: Michelle Senderhauf...
* Antecedents to ARGs - Driver: Bryan Alexander ...
* ARG Design - ...
* ARGs in Education & Training - Driver: Alex Moseley...
* ARG Research - ...
* ARG player demographics -...
* ARG definitions - ...

4) GRAPHICS
Alex Moseley has put his hand up if no-one else steps forward instead or as
well. :)

5) LAUNCH:
Michelle "varin" Senderhauf has proposed the target date for the first
reveal of this portal/resource/thingie initiative as ARG Fest, which is in
Boston on July 18-20: http://www.argfestocon.com/. Great idea.

Onward ho!

Best,
Christy

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Martin
Sent: Sunday, 4 May 2008 20:45
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps

On 02/05/2008, John Evans <btradish at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >2) SOFTWARE + HOSTING
> >As for software, I think a blog type style for the front part. (We can
> >change this anytime of course.) The blog software is pretty easy to use
for
> >everyone, enables us to have posts indicating updates and pages for each
> >initiative. Or perhaps someone recommends Moodle instead or some other
> >software? And then have a wiki and forum as well.
> >
> >Who wants to host? It needs to be either free or at low cost. John Evans,
> >did you put your hand up?

Wow - great to see not one but multiple offers of hosting :).

The IGDA hosting is free but has been less than ideal :(.

I think nearly all problems to date came down to:
 - lack of direct access to ssh/ftp install plugins and new software
 - lack of direct access to webserver root and config

Wherever its hosted we also need to be sure we can get the data out
easily, both for backups and if we ever need to move it (I've been
bitten by that before).

Similar need for access applies to domain registration. We need to
have several people with admin access to the domain and each able to
pay renewal fees. Its very hard to workaround this stuff when your
site disappears at renewal time :).

Is that possible?

> Well, I have my Dreamhost account where I host a few websites.

Cool. If you've got DB and ssh or ftp access that should be fine.

If not, I've got a spare dedicated server that's currently just
running some simple wordpess blogs and is ridiculously overpowered for
what it's doing.
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From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Sun May  4 10:22:41 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 00:22:41 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] NOW: ANONYMOUS POLL ON ARG SIG URL
In-Reply-To: <ca93830d0805040344n78c21b96if4aae735bfdefb38@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080504142801.NKMD1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>

Hey everyone,

We're doing a final vote on the URL for the new ARG SIG web initiative. 

There are 3 VERY short questions on this webpage:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=p6NPDipxKZ8lfa0zzp6gkg_3d_3d 

You can only answer the poll once per computer.

It closes on Weds 7th May.

When finished the page will return to the main page of the website rather
than give you a confirmation screen. Don't panic, your vote has been stored.
It is just a special feature of the freebie version. :)

Thanks!
Christy


From marcus.helm at gmail.com  Sun May  4 20:22:42 2008
From: marcus.helm at gmail.com (Hugh Davies)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 10:22:42 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] NOW: ANONYMOUS POLL ON ARG SIG URL
In-Reply-To: <20080504142801.NKMD1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
References: <ca93830d0805040344n78c21b96if4aae735bfdefb38@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080504142801.NKMD1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
Message-ID: <4ca6fcda0805041722r7b352cadxdea1ebdfb92d2b2a@mail.gmail.com>

Great work Christy

This is a well needed injection of time and ideas to this forum.
hugh


On 5/5/08, Christy Dena <cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com> wrote:
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> We're doing a final vote on the URL for the new ARG SIG web initiative.
>
> There are 3 VERY short questions on this webpage:
>
> http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=p6NPDipxKZ8lfa0zzp6gkg_3d_3d
>
> You can only answer the poll once per computer.
>
> It closes on Weds 7th May.
>
> When finished the page will return to the main page of the website rather
> than give you a confirmation screen. Don't panic, your vote has been
> stored.
> It is just a special feature of the freebie version. :)
>
> Thanks!
> Christy
>
> _______________________________________________
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> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>

From btradish at earthlink.net  Mon May  5 21:20:13 2008
From: btradish at earthlink.net (John Evans)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 21:20:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [arg_discuss] Sweet Agatha
Message-ID: <30559585.1210036814174.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I just came across this journal entry where someone is trying to develop
something that sounds like a hybrid between ARG and RPG for groups of
tabletop roleplayers:

http://kevin-allen-jr.livejournal.com/27461.html

--John Evans
Chaoseed Software - http://chaoseed.com


From despain at quantumcontent.com  Mon May  5 23:01:14 2008
From: despain at quantumcontent.com (despain at quantumcontent.com)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 20:01:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [arg_discuss] Sweet Agatha
In-Reply-To: <30559585.1210036814174.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlin
	k.net>
References: <30559585.1210036814174.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1106.69.144.84.21.1210042874.squirrel@webmail.quantumcontent.com>

Just a side note - this post is from Dec. 2006 and a website for the game
is available here: http://www.sweetagatha.com/

It's hard to tell if it's defunct or not though. I think the November it's
talking about is 2007.

Wendy Despain
quantumcontent.com


> I just came across this journal entry where someone is trying to develop
> something that sounds like a hybrid between ARG and RPG for groups of
> tabletop roleplayers:
>
> http://kevin-allen-jr.livejournal.com/27461.html
>
> --John Evans
> Chaoseed Software - http://chaoseed.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>



From beth.a.dillon at gmail.com  Wed May  7 16:25:50 2008
From: beth.a.dillon at gmail.com (Beth Aileen Dillon)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 13:25:50 -0700
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARG Web Designer needed for an interview.
Message-ID: <218b01990805071325n6baed5e8g25c7a401fe72ae9@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all! I'm looking for someone who would be up for an interview/blog
post piece on the kinds of skills and eye you need to design web sites
for ARGs (see http://gamedev.sessions.edu/ and
http://blog.sessions.edu/). Understanding the general message is all
about how absolutely diverse ARG sites can be.

Hit me up! I've been thinking stuff like this could be cross-linked
back to our new (fingers crossed for ARGology) web site.

- Beth

-- 
Beth Aileen Dillon
PhD Student, Simon Fraser University
School of Interactive Arts and Technology
Research Assistant, Aboriginal Territories in Cyberspace
http://www.bethadillon.com

From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Thu May  8 04:41:01 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 18:41:01 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] NOW: ANONYMOUS POLL ON ARG SIG URL - results
In-Reply-To: <20080504142801.NKMD1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
Message-ID: <20080508084623.KWNJ1196.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>

[resent with attachments removed]

The results are in! Thanks everyone who voted, all 49 of you!

49 people voted in question 1 and 2 (which were compulsory) and 38 on Q3.
Here is the quick summary:

Q1: "ARGology" was the landslide winner with 85.7% or 42 votes

Q2: ".com and .org but redirects to .org" was the landslide winner with 51%
or 25 votes

Q3: "ARGH!" was the winner with 29/38 votes.

Further details:
Images of the results are (hopefully) attached. [If not, I'll pop them
online.] 

Q1: The winner is perhaps no surprise considering the response on the
listserv. The second in line was ARGON, with 4 votes; and then ARGnology,
ARGosy, ARGsRUs, ARGh and ARGSIG with 1 vote each; and ArGeeenialoG.com with
none. ARGh and ARGSIG were in the Other section and so no-one was able to
vote on them. I don't know why I did an Other field -- I should of just put
a Comments box to capture comments on errors etc. 

Q2: The winner of the domain extension was a surprise (to me) as the list
seemed to be tending towards a .com. But "com and .org but redirects to
.org" won with 25 votes; 11 votes for ".com and .org but redirects to .com";
5 for .com and .org only, respectively; and I'll include the Other comment
("or .net, .info perhaps? .com is too businessy") towards .net, which totals
2 votes.

Q3: Most people say "ARGH!" (29), but what surprised me was that 11 people
said they alternate them according to the audience (see ARGorARGOther pic);
9 say "A.R.G." only; 1 said "ARGH!" was a great idea, and another ventured
"Boooyaaah!" as well. 

Well, I'm glad we did the survey as more people voted that had through the
listserv, and the domain extension is a different result that what was
emerging on the listserv.

Right! Over to John! Do you want to register the domain names? Or perhaps
register one, .org, and someone else registers .com (to share the cost
burden)?

ARGology.org, here we come!

Best,
Christy

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Christy Dena
Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 00:23
To: 'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'
Subject: [arg_discuss] NOW: ANONYMOUS POLL ON ARG SIG URL

Hey everyone,

We're doing a final vote on the URL for the new ARG SIG web initiative. 

There are 3 VERY short questions on this webpage:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=p6NPDipxKZ8lfa0zzp6gkg_3d_3d 

You can only answer the poll once per computer.

It closes on Weds 7th May.

When finished the page will return to the main page of the website rather
than give you a confirmation screen. Don't panic, your vote has been stored.
It is just a special feature of the freebie version. :)

Thanks!
Christy

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From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Thu May  8 05:12:18 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 19:12:18 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology - ARG Antecedents section
In-Reply-To: <08119B28F4B3FF46A5747921C9FAA6788B212E@AA1EXCH06.office.share.org>
Message-ID: <20080508091741.LQHF1196.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>

Hey Bryan!

I understand that you won't be able to pounce until mid June, but thought
I'd touch base with you in the meantime. Or even perhaps you could link to
your antecedent posts as a start? I'm also thinking it is important to reach
out to others who are working, or interested in working on antecedents. If
my memory serves me, Brian Clarke was working on an essay about antecedents
a while ago. 

And then I guess the question is, what do people want? Ongoing articles on
the site or links to elsewhere? Forum discussions? Whatever you think works
best.

Over to you! 

Let me know if you have any questions of course.

Thanks and congrats!

Best,
Christy

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Alexander
Sent: Saturday, 26 April 2008 06:30
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward?

ARGology is fun.  ARGosy, anyone?

This is a good idea, and I'd like to volunteer some time.  May and the
first half of June are crazy (check my Dopplr), but I can follow along,
then pounce.

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Andrea Phillips
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:12 PM
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward?

Ooh, I really like argology.

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 1:08 PM, varin <varineq at gmail.com> wrote:
> hehe, just did a quick search for names on nameboy.com
>
>  argnology.com and argology.com are available - I'm surprised someone
>  hasn't taken those yet!
>
>  Michelle Senderhauf
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM,  <libfli at aol.com> wrote:
>  > i agree.  this is a really great idea!  i would also be willing to
give some time.
>  >
>  >
>  >  (and yeah, let's pitch out some other ideas for the addy)
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  maybe "argsrus.com" :)
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  -----Original Message-----
>  >  From: varin <varineq at gmail.com>
>  >  To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG <arg_discuss at igda.org>
>  >  Sent: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 9:26 am
>  >  Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward?
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  I think a website like this is a good idea. It would be nice to be
>  >  able to have some control over the organization of information.
I'd
>  >  be willing to help out, just let me know when things get rolling.
>  >
>  >  oh, but www.IGDAARGSIG.org might be a little hard to remember ;P
>  >
>  >  Michelle Senderhauf
>  >
>  >  On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Christy Dena
>  >  <cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com> wrote:
>  >  > Hey everyone,
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Just a thought about a possible way forward for the ARG SIG.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  I, like many others on this list, would love to see ARGs as
they are better
>  >  >  understood, as well as see ARGs develop in ways unimagined. One
of the
>  >  >  continuing issues we've all spoken about many times on this
list and
>  >  >  elsewhere, are public descriptions of ARGs, the wikipedia
entry, ARG SIG
>  >  >  blog, ARG SIG whitepaper and so on. There has been some
criticism (from
>  >  >  within and outside of the ARG community) of the whitepaper and
wikipedia
>  >  >  entry - two high profile sources of information about ARGs.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  It seems to me that the reason both of these sources fail in
some regards is
>  >  >  in their inappropriately comprehensive nature. In other words,
the
>  >  >  whitepaper and wikipedia entry are trying to be too many
things. What is
>  >  >  great about the whitepaper is that it brings together the
various interests
>  >  >  and expertise of this ARG SIG. It is in some ways a mission
statement for
>  >  >  all the possible initiatives the ARG SIG can achieve:
descriptions of ARGs,
>  >  >  antecedents of ARGs, history of ARGs, types of ARGs, ARG design
techniques,
>  >  >  economic models, ARGs in education & training, ARG research and
so on. We
>  >  >  just need to address these separately, in the right place(s).
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  It seems too that the ARG SIG blog and wikipedia have other
obstacles too -
>  >  >  including lack of control over design and content (the
wikipedia entry is
>  >  >  riddled with vanity spam). What if we got our own URL, like
>  >  >  www.IGDAARGSIG.org or whatever, and created our own
quality-controlled
>  >  >  portal?
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  I'm thinking of a site that provides descriptions on ARGs for
artists,
>  >  >  producers and the press; has links to ARG resources &
information on design
>  >  >  & economic modes as well as a much needed listing of the all
the developers
>  >  >  working in the area. Examples of related sites on design are
IPerG
>  >  >  (Integrated Project on Pervasive Gaming) website:
http://www.iperg.org/ and
>  >  >  Gamasutra: http://www.gamasutra.com <http://www.gamasutra.com/>
and what
>  >  >  about Play Finland: http://www.playfinland.fi/ as an example of
a portal
>  >  >  that promotes developers & their games? Also, considering many
people have
>  >  >  important resources on their own sites, it would beneficial to
provide links
>  >  >  to sites rather than insisting all info be housed in the one
place, and
>  >  >  anonymously.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Irrespective of whether a new portal is a way forward, another
issue is
>  >  >  getting initiatives happening. I want to see more articles
about design for
>  >  >  instance! It seems that asking people to volunteer to do things
hasn't
>  >  >  worked so well in the past. What about a Driver & Poke model?
Yes, I just
>  >  >  made that up. People volunteer to be Drivers of certain
initiative (and
>  >  >  rotate amongst each other so no single person is doing it the
whole time).
>  >  >  Those Drivers call for volunteers to do things but also
directly Poke, or
>  >  >  request an article or something from people they feel will
provide a helpful
>  >  >  contribution?
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  And then information such as the history, design techniques and
research
>  >  >  into ARGs can be encouraged and find their proper home, and the
whitepaper
>  >  >  and wiki entry can go back to doing their job.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Over to youse all to add ideas, alter ideas or blow
raspberries. :-)
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Best,
>  >  >
>  >  >  Christy
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  _______________________________________________
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>  >  >  ARG_Discuss at igda.org
>  >  >  http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>  >  >
>  >  _______________________________________________
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>  >  ARG_Discuss at igda.org
>  >  http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  _______________________________________________
>  >  ARG_Discuss mailing list
>  >  ARG_Discuss at igda.org
>  >  http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>  >
>  _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
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http://www.deusexmachinatio.com
Words * Culture * Interaction
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From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Thu May  8 05:13:29 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 19:13:29 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology - ARG Antecedents section
In-Reply-To: <20080508091741.LQHF1196.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
Message-ID: <20080508091851.LQZO1196.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>


Doh! Meant to be to Bryan. ;p

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Christy Dena
Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2008 19:12
To: 'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology - ARG Antecedents section

Hey Bryan!

I understand that you won't be able to pounce until mid June, but thought
I'd touch base with you in the meantime. Or even perhaps you could link to
your antecedent posts as a start? I'm also thinking it is important to reach
out to others who are working, or interested in working on antecedents. If
my memory serves me, Brian Clarke was working on an essay about antecedents
a while ago. 

And then I guess the question is, what do people want? Ongoing articles on
the site or links to elsewhere? Forum discussions? Whatever you think works
best.

Over to you! 

Let me know if you have any questions of course.

Thanks and congrats!

Best,
Christy

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Alexander
Sent: Saturday, 26 April 2008 06:30
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward?

ARGology is fun.  ARGosy, anyone?

This is a good idea, and I'd like to volunteer some time.  May and the
first half of June are crazy (check my Dopplr), but I can follow along,
then pounce.

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Andrea Phillips
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:12 PM
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward?

Ooh, I really like argology.

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 1:08 PM, varin <varineq at gmail.com> wrote:
> hehe, just did a quick search for names on nameboy.com
>
>  argnology.com and argology.com are available - I'm surprised someone
>  hasn't taken those yet!
>
>  Michelle Senderhauf
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM,  <libfli at aol.com> wrote:
>  > i agree.  this is a really great idea!  i would also be willing to
give some time.
>  >
>  >
>  >  (and yeah, let's pitch out some other ideas for the addy)
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  maybe "argsrus.com" :)
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  -----Original Message-----
>  >  From: varin <varineq at gmail.com>
>  >  To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG <arg_discuss at igda.org>
>  >  Sent: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 9:26 am
>  >  Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward?
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  I think a website like this is a good idea. It would be nice to be
>  >  able to have some control over the organization of information.
I'd
>  >  be willing to help out, just let me know when things get rolling.
>  >
>  >  oh, but www.IGDAARGSIG.org might be a little hard to remember ;P
>  >
>  >  Michelle Senderhauf
>  >
>  >  On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Christy Dena
>  >  <cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com> wrote:
>  >  > Hey everyone,
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Just a thought about a possible way forward for the ARG SIG.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  I, like many others on this list, would love to see ARGs as
they are better
>  >  >  understood, as well as see ARGs develop in ways unimagined. One
of the
>  >  >  continuing issues we've all spoken about many times on this
list and
>  >  >  elsewhere, are public descriptions of ARGs, the wikipedia
entry, ARG SIG
>  >  >  blog, ARG SIG whitepaper and so on. There has been some
criticism (from
>  >  >  within and outside of the ARG community) of the whitepaper and
wikipedia
>  >  >  entry - two high profile sources of information about ARGs.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  It seems to me that the reason both of these sources fail in
some regards is
>  >  >  in their inappropriately comprehensive nature. In other words,
the
>  >  >  whitepaper and wikipedia entry are trying to be too many
things. What is
>  >  >  great about the whitepaper is that it brings together the
various interests
>  >  >  and expertise of this ARG SIG. It is in some ways a mission
statement for
>  >  >  all the possible initiatives the ARG SIG can achieve:
descriptions of ARGs,
>  >  >  antecedents of ARGs, history of ARGs, types of ARGs, ARG design
techniques,
>  >  >  economic models, ARGs in education & training, ARG research and
so on. We
>  >  >  just need to address these separately, in the right place(s).
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  It seems too that the ARG SIG blog and wikipedia have other
obstacles too -
>  >  >  including lack of control over design and content (the
wikipedia entry is
>  >  >  riddled with vanity spam). What if we got our own URL, like
>  >  >  www.IGDAARGSIG.org or whatever, and created our own
quality-controlled
>  >  >  portal?
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  I'm thinking of a site that provides descriptions on ARGs for
artists,
>  >  >  producers and the press; has links to ARG resources &
information on design
>  >  >  & economic modes as well as a much needed listing of the all
the developers
>  >  >  working in the area. Examples of related sites on design are
IPerG
>  >  >  (Integrated Project on Pervasive Gaming) website:
http://www.iperg.org/ and
>  >  >  Gamasutra: http://www.gamasutra.com <http://www.gamasutra.com/>
and what
>  >  >  about Play Finland: http://www.playfinland.fi/ as an example of
a portal
>  >  >  that promotes developers & their games? Also, considering many
people have
>  >  >  important resources on their own sites, it would beneficial to
provide links
>  >  >  to sites rather than insisting all info be housed in the one
place, and
>  >  >  anonymously.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Irrespective of whether a new portal is a way forward, another
issue is
>  >  >  getting initiatives happening. I want to see more articles
about design for
>  >  >  instance! It seems that asking people to volunteer to do things
hasn't
>  >  >  worked so well in the past. What about a Driver & Poke model?
Yes, I just
>  >  >  made that up. People volunteer to be Drivers of certain
initiative (and
>  >  >  rotate amongst each other so no single person is doing it the
whole time).
>  >  >  Those Drivers call for volunteers to do things but also
directly Poke, or
>  >  >  request an article or something from people they feel will
provide a helpful
>  >  >  contribution?
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  And then information such as the history, design techniques and
research
>  >  >  into ARGs can be encouraged and find their proper home, and the
whitepaper
>  >  >  and wiki entry can go back to doing their job.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Over to youse all to add ideas, alter ideas or blow
raspberries. :-)
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Best,
>  >  >
>  >  >  Christy
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  _______________________________________________
>  >  >  ARG_Discuss mailing list
>  >  >  ARG_Discuss at igda.org
>  >  >  http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>  >  >
>  >  _______________________________________________
>  >  ARG_Discuss mailing list
>  >  ARG_Discuss at igda.org
>  >  http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  _______________________________________________
>  >  ARG_Discuss mailing list
>  >  ARG_Discuss at igda.org
>  >  http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>  >
>  _______________________________________________
>  ARG_Discuss mailing list
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>  http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>



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From jason at aporiacme.com  Thu May  8 05:20:46 2008
From: jason at aporiacme.com (=?utf-8?B?SmFzb24gQ2hyZXN0?=)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 09:20:46 +0000
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology - ARG Antecedents section
In-Reply-To: <20080508091851.LQZO1196.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
References: <20080508091741.LQHF1196.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE><20080508091851.LQZO1196.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
Message-ID: <764100050-1210238455-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1193051586-@bxe125.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Hehehe goober :)

Good thing you didn't say anything nsls. (Not safe for list serve)

Jason Chrest
Aporia Cross-Media Entertainment
www.aporiacme.com
jason at aporiacme.com


-----Original Message-----
From: "Christy Dena" <cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com>

Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 19:13:29 
To:"'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'" <arg_discuss at igda.org>
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] ARGology - ARG Antecedents section



Doh! Meant to be to Bryan. ;p

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Christy Dena
Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2008 19:12
To: 'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology - ARG Antecedents section

Hey Bryan!

I understand that you won't be able to pounce until mid June, but thought
I'd touch base with you in the meantime. Or even perhaps you could link to
your antecedent posts as a start? I'm also thinking it is important to reach
out to others who are working, or interested in working on antecedents. If
my memory serves me, Brian Clarke was working on an essay about antecedents
a while ago.

And then I guess the question is, what do people want? Ongoing articles on
the site or links to elsewhere? Forum discussions? Whatever you think works
best.

Over to you!

Let me know if you have any questions of course.

Thanks and congrats!

Best,
Christy

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Alexander
Sent: Saturday, 26 April 2008 06:30
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward?

ARGology is fun.  ARGosy, anyone?

This is a good idea, and I'd like to volunteer some time.  May and the
first half of June are crazy (check my Dopplr), but I can follow along,
then pounce.

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Andrea Phillips
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:12 PM
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward?

Ooh, I really like argology.

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 1:08 PM, varin <varineq at gmail.com> wrote:
> hehe, just did a quick search for names on nameboy.com
>
>  argnology.com and argology.com are available - I'm surprised someone
>  hasn't taken those yet!
>
>  Michelle Senderhauf
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM,  <libfli at aol.com> wrote:
>  > i agree.  this is a really great idea!  i would also be willing to
give some time.
>  >
>  >
>  >  (and yeah, let's pitch out some other ideas for the addy)
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  maybe "argsrus.com" :)
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  -----Original Message-----
>  >  From: varin <varineq at gmail.com>
>  >  To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG <arg_discuss at igda.org>
>  >  Sent: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 9:26 am
>  >  Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward?
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  I think a website like this is a good idea. It would be nice to be
>  >  able to have some control over the organization of information.
I'd
>  >  be willing to help out, just let me know when things get rolling.
>  >
>  >  oh, but www.IGDAARGSIG.org might be a little hard to remember ;P
>  >
>  >  Michelle Senderhauf
>  >
>  >  On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Christy Dena
>  >  <cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com> wrote:
>  >  > Hey everyone,
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Just a thought about a possible way forward for the ARG SIG.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  I, like many others on this list, would love to see ARGs as
they are better
>  >  >  understood, as well as see ARGs develop in ways unimagined. One
of the
>  >  >  continuing issues we've all spoken about many times on this
list and
>  >  >  elsewhere, are public descriptions of ARGs, the wikipedia
entry, ARG SIG
>  >  >  blog, ARG SIG whitepaper and so on. There has been some
criticism (from
>  >  >  within and outside of the ARG community) of the whitepaper and
wikipedia
>  >  >  entry - two high profile sources of information about ARGs.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  It seems to me that the reason both of these sources fail in
some regards is
>  >  >  in their inappropriately comprehensive nature. In other words,
the
>  >  >  whitepaper and wikipedia entry are trying to be too many
things. What is
>  >  >  great about the whitepaper is that it brings together the
various interests
>  >  >  and expertise of this ARG SIG. It is in some ways a mission
statement for
>  >  >  all the possible initiatives the ARG SIG can achieve:
descriptions of ARGs,
>  >  >  antecedents of ARGs, history of ARGs, types of ARGs, ARG design
techniques,
>  >  >  economic models, ARGs in education & training, ARG research and
so on. We
>  >  >  just need to address these separately, in the right place(s).
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  It seems too that the ARG SIG blog and wikipedia have other
obstacles too -
>  >  >  including lack of control over design and content (the
wikipedia entry is
>  >  >  riddled with vanity spam). What if we got our own URL, like
>  >  >  www.IGDAARGSIG.org or whatever, and created our own
quality-controlled
>  >  >  portal?
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  I'm thinking of a site that provides descriptions on ARGs for
artists,
>  >  >  producers and the press; has links to ARG resources &
information on design
>  >  >  & economic modes as well as a much needed listing of the all
the developers
>  >  >  working in the area. Examples of related sites on design are
IPerG
>  >  >  (Integrated Project on Pervasive Gaming) website:
http://www.iperg.org/ and
>  >  >  Gamasutra: http://www.gamasutra.com <http://www.gamasutra.com/>
and what
>  >  >  about Play Finland: http://www.playfinland.fi/ as an example of
a portal
>  >  >  that promotes developers & their games? Also, considering many
people have
>  >  >  important resources on their own sites, it would beneficial to
provide links
>  >  >  to sites rather than insisting all info be housed in the one
place, and
>  >  >  anonymously.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Irrespective of whether a new portal is a way forward, another
issue is
>  >  >  getting initiatives happening. I want to see more articles
about design for
>  >  >  instance! It seems that asking people to volunteer to do things
hasn't
>  >  >  worked so well in the past. What about a Driver & Poke model?
Yes, I just
>  >  >  made that up. People volunteer to be Drivers of certain
initiative (and
>  >  >  rotate amongst each other so no single person is doing it the
whole time).
>  >  >  Those Drivers call for volunteers to do things but also
directly Poke, or
>  >  >  request an article or something from people they feel will
provide a helpful
>  >  >  contribution?
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  And then information such as the history, design techniques and
research
>  >  >  into ARGs can be encouraged and find their proper home, and the
whitepaper
>  >  >  and wiki entry can go back to doing their job.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Over to youse all to add ideas, alter ideas or blow
raspberries. :-)
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Best,
>  >  >
>  >  >  Christy
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  _______________________________________________
>  >  >  ARG_Discuss mailing list
>  >  >  ARG_Discuss at igda.org
>  >  >  http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>  >  >
>  >  _______________________________________________
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>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  _______________________________________________
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>  >  ARG_Discuss at igda.org
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>  >
>  _______________________________________________
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From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Thu May  8 05:20:05 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 19:20:05 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps - catch-up 2
In-Reply-To: <20080504142753.NKLQ1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
Message-ID: <20080508092527.GMQQ1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>


Here is a recap of the initiatives with updates on who has put their hand up
for what, and which ones need people:

* Annotated bibliography - Colin McNee (colinmcnee at yahoo.com), Christy
Dena...
* ARG Developers - Michelle Senderhauf (varineq at gmail.com), Jan Libby ...
* History of ARGs - Michelle Senderhauf (varineq at gmail.com) ...
* Antecedents to ARGs - Bryan Alexander (Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org) ...
* ARGs in Education & Training - Alex Moseley (am14 at leicester.ac.uk) ...
* ARG Design -
* ARG Research - 
* Business Models -
* ARG player demographics -
* ARG definitions - 

Also, if anyone has any links or ideas they would like to suggest, they can
email a person directly or ping the list if the initiative doesn't have a
volunteer. Perhaps with a subject line like 'ARGOLOGY - Defs', or not!

Best,
Christy

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Christy Dena
Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 00:23
To: 'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps - catch-up

Great!

OK, here is your catch-up/storysofar/recap email. :) 

On the 25th April I was surfing the web when I stumbled upon...nah. hehe. 

1) DOMAIN NAME
Thanks to all the ace folks who dreamed up a domain name: Michelle
Senderhauf, Jan Libby, Bryan Alexander, Adrien Marie and Marc Williams. I
know many of you have put in your votes through email but I've created a
poll. The reason being I figure that more people may vote if it is
anonymous, and we can have a set structure and end time for the poll. This
will come through in an email following this one. Let me know if I got
something wrong on it! 

2) SOFTWARE + HOSTING
Great! We have three offers to host (well 4 actually, as I was going to be a
back-up): John Evans, Ivan Askwith and Adam Martin! John was first off the
rank and so looks like that is a go. [Adam, DH has ssh & ftp & sftp access
etc with the ability to set privileges for different users so should be OK.
But John can confirm.]

3) INITIATIVES
I've moved, added and deleted names according to those ace people who voiced
their preferences and those who didn't. Lots more to fill!

* Annotated bibliography - Driver: Colin McNee? Team members: Colin, Christy
Dena + ...
* ARG Developers - Driver: Michelle Senderhauf. Team members: Christy Dena +
* Business Models - ...
* History of ARGs - Driver: Michelle Senderhauf...
* Antecedents to ARGs - Driver: Bryan Alexander ...
* ARG Design - ...
* ARGs in Education & Training - Driver: Alex Moseley...
* ARG Research - ...
* ARG player demographics -...
* ARG definitions - ...

4) GRAPHICS
Alex Moseley has put his hand up if no-one else steps forward instead or as
well. :)

5) LAUNCH:
Michelle "varin" Senderhauf has proposed the target date for the first
reveal of this portal/resource/thingie initiative as ARG Fest, which is in
Boston on July 18-20: http://www.argfestocon.com/. Great idea.

Onward ho!

Best,
Christy

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Martin
Sent: Sunday, 4 May 2008 20:45
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps

On 02/05/2008, John Evans <btradish at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >2) SOFTWARE + HOSTING
> >As for software, I think a blog type style for the front part. (We can
> >change this anytime of course.) The blog software is pretty easy to use
for
> >everyone, enables us to have posts indicating updates and pages for each
> >initiative. Or perhaps someone recommends Moodle instead or some other
> >software? And then have a wiki and forum as well.
> >
> >Who wants to host? It needs to be either free or at low cost. John Evans,
> >did you put your hand up?

Wow - great to see not one but multiple offers of hosting :).

The IGDA hosting is free but has been less than ideal :(.

I think nearly all problems to date came down to:
 - lack of direct access to ssh/ftp install plugins and new software
 - lack of direct access to webserver root and config

Wherever its hosted we also need to be sure we can get the data out
easily, both for backups and if we ever need to move it (I've been
bitten by that before).

Similar need for access applies to domain registration. We need to
have several people with admin access to the domain and each able to
pay renewal fees. Its very hard to workaround this stuff when your
site disappears at renewal time :).

Is that possible?

> Well, I have my Dreamhost account where I host a few websites.

Cool. If you've got DB and ssh or ftp access that should be fine.

If not, I've got a spare dedicated server that's currently just
running some simple wordpess blogs and is ridiculously overpowered for
what it's doing.
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From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Thu May  8 05:21:28 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 19:21:28 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology - ARG Antecedents section
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I know! Well...I've actually done that before on this list. :/


-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Jason Chrest
Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2008 19:21
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] ARGology - ARG Antecedents section

Hehehe goober :)

Good thing you didn't say anything nsls. (Not safe for list serve)

Jason Chrest
Aporia Cross-Media Entertainment
www.aporiacme.com
jason at aporiacme.com


-----Original Message-----
From: "Christy Dena" <cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com>

Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 19:13:29 
To:"'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'" <arg_discuss at igda.org>
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] ARGology - ARG Antecedents section



Doh! Meant to be to Bryan. ;p

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Christy Dena
Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2008 19:12
To: 'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology - ARG Antecedents section

Hey Bryan!

I understand that you won't be able to pounce until mid June, but thought
I'd touch base with you in the meantime. Or even perhaps you could link to
your antecedent posts as a start? I'm also thinking it is important to reach
out to others who are working, or interested in working on antecedents. If
my memory serves me, Brian Clarke was working on an essay about antecedents
a while ago.

And then I guess the question is, what do people want? Ongoing articles on
the site or links to elsewhere? Forum discussions? Whatever you think works
best.

Over to you!

Let me know if you have any questions of course.

Thanks and congrats!

Best,
Christy

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Bryan Alexander
Sent: Saturday, 26 April 2008 06:30
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward?

ARGology is fun.  ARGosy, anyone?

This is a good idea, and I'd like to volunteer some time.  May and the
first half of June are crazy (check my Dopplr), but I can follow along,
then pounce.

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Andrea Phillips
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:12 PM
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward?

Ooh, I really like argology.

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 1:08 PM, varin <varineq at gmail.com> wrote:
> hehe, just did a quick search for names on nameboy.com
>
>  argnology.com and argology.com are available - I'm surprised someone
>  hasn't taken those yet!
>
>  Michelle Senderhauf
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM,  <libfli at aol.com> wrote:
>  > i agree.  this is a really great idea!  i would also be willing to
give some time.
>  >
>  >
>  >  (and yeah, let's pitch out some other ideas for the addy)
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  maybe "argsrus.com" :)
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  -----Original Message-----
>  >  From: varin <varineq at gmail.com>
>  >  To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG <arg_discuss at igda.org>
>  >  Sent: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 9:26 am
>  >  Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward?
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  I think a website like this is a good idea. It would be nice to be
>  >  able to have some control over the organization of information.
I'd
>  >  be willing to help out, just let me know when things get rolling.
>  >
>  >  oh, but www.IGDAARGSIG.org might be a little hard to remember ;P
>  >
>  >  Michelle Senderhauf
>  >
>  >  On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 3:00 AM, Christy Dena
>  >  <cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com> wrote:
>  >  > Hey everyone,
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Just a thought about a possible way forward for the ARG SIG.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  I, like many others on this list, would love to see ARGs as
they are better
>  >  >  understood, as well as see ARGs develop in ways unimagined. One
of the
>  >  >  continuing issues we've all spoken about many times on this
list and
>  >  >  elsewhere, are public descriptions of ARGs, the wikipedia
entry, ARG SIG
>  >  >  blog, ARG SIG whitepaper and so on. There has been some
criticism (from
>  >  >  within and outside of the ARG community) of the whitepaper and
wikipedia
>  >  >  entry - two high profile sources of information about ARGs.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  It seems to me that the reason both of these sources fail in
some regards is
>  >  >  in their inappropriately comprehensive nature. In other words,
the
>  >  >  whitepaper and wikipedia entry are trying to be too many
things. What is
>  >  >  great about the whitepaper is that it brings together the
various interests
>  >  >  and expertise of this ARG SIG. It is in some ways a mission
statement for
>  >  >  all the possible initiatives the ARG SIG can achieve:
descriptions of ARGs,
>  >  >  antecedents of ARGs, history of ARGs, types of ARGs, ARG design
techniques,
>  >  >  economic models, ARGs in education & training, ARG research and
so on. We
>  >  >  just need to address these separately, in the right place(s).
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  It seems too that the ARG SIG blog and wikipedia have other
obstacles too -
>  >  >  including lack of control over design and content (the
wikipedia entry is
>  >  >  riddled with vanity spam). What if we got our own URL, like
>  >  >  www.IGDAARGSIG.org or whatever, and created our own
quality-controlled
>  >  >  portal?
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  I'm thinking of a site that provides descriptions on ARGs for
artists,
>  >  >  producers and the press; has links to ARG resources &
information on design
>  >  >  & economic modes as well as a much needed listing of the all
the developers
>  >  >  working in the area. Examples of related sites on design are
IPerG
>  >  >  (Integrated Project on Pervasive Gaming) website:
http://www.iperg.org/ and
>  >  >  Gamasutra: http://www.gamasutra.com <http://www.gamasutra.com/>
and what
>  >  >  about Play Finland: http://www.playfinland.fi/ as an example of
a portal
>  >  >  that promotes developers & their games? Also, considering many
people have
>  >  >  important resources on their own sites, it would beneficial to
provide links
>  >  >  to sites rather than insisting all info be housed in the one
place, and
>  >  >  anonymously.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Irrespective of whether a new portal is a way forward, another
issue is
>  >  >  getting initiatives happening. I want to see more articles
about design for
>  >  >  instance! It seems that asking people to volunteer to do things
hasn't
>  >  >  worked so well in the past. What about a Driver & Poke model?
Yes, I just
>  >  >  made that up. People volunteer to be Drivers of certain
initiative (and
>  >  >  rotate amongst each other so no single person is doing it the
whole time).
>  >  >  Those Drivers call for volunteers to do things but also
directly Poke, or
>  >  >  request an article or something from people they feel will
provide a helpful
>  >  >  contribution?
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  And then information such as the history, design techniques and
research
>  >  >  into ARGs can be encouraged and find their proper home, and the
whitepaper
>  >  >  and wiki entry can go back to doing their job.
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Over to youse all to add ideas, alter ideas or blow
raspberries. :-)
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >  Best,
>  >  >
>  >  >  Christy
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
>  >  >
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From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Thu May  8 05:39:15 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 19:39:15 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] NOW: ANONYMOUS POLL ON ARG SIG URL - results
In-Reply-To: <20080508084623.KWNJ1196.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
Message-ID: <20080508094437.FRAY1861.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>


Further thoughts about the software:

Another possible web format is Drupal. Check out Jason Rutter's Digiplay
Initiative: Understanding Digital Games site
http://digiplay.info/bibliography. 

It is a resource that people can add too... 

But that is in Drupal, which requires Linux I believe. Here is the info
Jason has given me about the setup:

[quote]
It is run using Drupal - http://drupal.org/ - with a range of what Drupal
calls modules. These are basically addons which give the core CMS added
functionality - http://drupal.org/project/Modules. 

So for example, the bibliography is run using Ron Jerome's biblio module -
http://drupal.org/project/biblio.

There is a blog module (and Blog API to work with things like Blogger API,
MetaWeblog API, and most of the Movable Type API) built into the core but
I've never used it.
[/quote]

Best,
Christy


-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Christy Dena
Sent: Thursday, 8 May 2008 18:41
To: 'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] NOW: ANONYMOUS POLL ON ARG SIG URL - results

[resent with attachments removed]

The results are in! Thanks everyone who voted, all 49 of you!

49 people voted in question 1 and 2 (which were compulsory) and 38 on Q3.
Here is the quick summary:

Q1: "ARGology" was the landslide winner with 85.7% or 42 votes

Q2: ".com and .org but redirects to .org" was the landslide winner with 51%
or 25 votes

Q3: "ARGH!" was the winner with 29/38 votes.

Further details:
Images of the results are (hopefully) attached. [If not, I'll pop them
online.] 

Q1: The winner is perhaps no surprise considering the response on the
listserv. The second in line was ARGON, with 4 votes; and then ARGnology,
ARGosy, ARGsRUs, ARGh and ARGSIG with 1 vote each; and ArGeeenialoG.com with
none. ARGh and ARGSIG were in the Other section and so no-one was able to
vote on them. I don't know why I did an Other field -- I should of just put
a Comments box to capture comments on errors etc. 

Q2: The winner of the domain extension was a surprise (to me) as the list
seemed to be tending towards a .com. But "com and .org but redirects to
.org" won with 25 votes; 11 votes for ".com and .org but redirects to .com";
5 for .com and .org only, respectively; and I'll include the Other comment
("or .net, .info perhaps? .com is too businessy") towards .net, which totals
2 votes.

Q3: Most people say "ARGH!" (29), but what surprised me was that 11 people
said they alternate them according to the audience (see ARGorARGOther pic);
9 say "A.R.G." only; 1 said "ARGH!" was a great idea, and another ventured
"Boooyaaah!" as well. 

Well, I'm glad we did the survey as more people voted that had through the
listserv, and the domain extension is a different result that what was
emerging on the listserv.

Right! Over to John! Do you want to register the domain names? Or perhaps
register one, .org, and someone else registers .com (to share the cost
burden)?

ARGology.org, here we come!

Best,
Christy

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Christy Dena
Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 00:23
To: 'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'
Subject: [arg_discuss] NOW: ANONYMOUS POLL ON ARG SIG URL

Hey everyone,

We're doing a final vote on the URL for the new ARG SIG web initiative. 

There are 3 VERY short questions on this webpage:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=p6NPDipxKZ8lfa0zzp6gkg_3d_3d 

You can only answer the poll once per computer.

It closes on Weds 7th May.

When finished the page will return to the main page of the website rather
than give you a confirmation screen. Don't panic, your vote has been stored.
It is just a special feature of the freebie version. :)

Thanks!
Christy

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From morbus at disobey.com  Thu May  8 07:54:58 2008
From: morbus at disobey.com (Morbus Iff)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 07:54:58 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] NOW: ANONYMOUS POLL ON ARG SIG URL - results
In-Reply-To: <20080508094437.FRAY1861.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
References: <20080508094437.FRAY1861.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
Message-ID: <4822EA12.7080107@disobey.com>

> Another possible web format is Drupal. Check out Jason Rutter's Digiplay

Heh, heh. I'm an expert Drupal programmer.
Credentials available upon request.

Largely, though, I don't think there's much that need to be specifically 
programmed for this site, but I can certainly consult on best module 
choices and structural design. Note, also, that LetsChangeTheGame.org 
was done in Drupal.

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From colinmcnee at yahoo.com  Thu May  8 09:03:56 2008
From: colinmcnee at yahoo.com (Colin McNee)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 06:03:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [arg_discuss] Annotated bib
Message-ID: <591494.26359.qm@web63312.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Howdy,

This is the text of a message I sent to Christy and I
thought that it was worthy of a post to the list:

Here's what I'm thinking:
The bib should be a sort of first stop for academics
and business people who are interested in learning
about ARGs. I envision a sort of on-line data base
which would have fields for: Citation, Summary,
Analysis, Intended Audience and Uploaded By. I'm not
versed well enough in web design stuff to even know
where to start in putting that end of it together
(MySQL?). I do know that I'd like it to be something
that our readers could easily add to. I foresee this
being an online form we could fill out whenever we
read an interesting article.  I use Flock as a web
browser and it has a nifty bib extension called Zotero
which also works on Mozilla, this reduces the effort
of getting the citation format correct and it just
becomes a cut and paste operation. BTW, what style
guide would you recommend? MLA? 

I'd like to open this up to you all for some
discussion/brainstorming. I have a pretty good picture
of the destination but no idea of how to get there
(web-design wise). Also, the selection of the fields
is by no means writ in stone. 

Colin


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From marc at thedigitaldemons.com  Thu May  8 10:58:14 2008
From: marc at thedigitaldemons.com (Marc Mcginley)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 15:58:14 +0100
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGs make it to University Exams
Message-ID: <48231506.6090305@thedigitaldemons.com>

Hi Guys,

Just thought you might like to know that in the final exam of my 
multimedia degree a question popped up about ARGs. To give a bit of 
background, the module (Emergent Multimedia Technologies) was student 
lead, with each student choosing a topic to give a one off lecture 
about. Some of the more interesting topics were then chosen for the exam.

I think it's pretty cool that there's been a question on ARGs in a 
University exam, and I guess that my lecturer liked my presentation ;)

In case you're interested, here's the question. Please bear in mind that 
the module's very broad so whilst it seems like an easy question for the 
ARG crowd, the majority of the people on my course hadn't heard of them...


2)

a)Define the term 'Alternate Reality Game', briefly distinguish them 
from more typical console type games. (4 marks)
 
b) Discuss in detail one recent ARG campaign (10 marks)
 
c) Identify what you believe to be particular challenges to the creation 
of such games. (6 marks)

Marc

From marc at thedigitaldemons.com  Thu May  8 11:40:08 2008
From: marc at thedigitaldemons.com (Marc Mcginley)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 16:40:08 +0100
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGs in University Exams
Message-ID: <48231ED8.6010501@thedigitaldemons.com>

Hi Guys,

Just thought you might like to know that in the final exam of my 
multimedia degree a question popped up about ARGs. To give a bit of 
background, the module (Emergent Multimedia Technologies) was student 
lead, with each student choosing a topic to give a one off lecture 
about. Some of the more interesting topics were then chosen for the exam.

I think it's pretty cool that there's been a question on ARGs in a 
University exam, and I guess that my lecturer liked my presentation ;)

In case you're interested, here's the question. Please bear in mind that 
the module's very broad so whilst it seems like an easy question for the 
ARG crowd, the majority of the people on my course hadn't heard of them...


2)

a)Define the term 'Alternate Reality Game', briefly distinguish them 
from more typical console type games. (4 marks)
 
b) Discuss in detail one recent ARG campaign (10 marks)
 
c) Identify what you believe to be particular challenges to the creation 
of such games. (6 marks)

Marc

From marc at thedigitaldemons.com  Thu May  8 11:53:13 2008
From: marc at thedigitaldemons.com (Marc Mcginley)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 16:53:13 +0100
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGs in University Exams
Message-ID: <482321E9.9030206@thedigitaldemons.com>

Oops, didn't mean to send the mail twice. Having major email problems at 
the moment.

Marc

From Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org  Thu May  8 14:52:03 2008
From: Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org (Bryan Alexander)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:52:03 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps - catch-up
In-Reply-To: <20080504142753.NKLQ1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
References: <ca93830d0805040344n78c21b96if4aae735bfdefb38@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080504142753.NKLQ1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
Message-ID: <08119B28F4B3FF46A5747921C9FAA6788B22BF@AA1EXCH06.office.share.org>

This looks great.
I'd be glad to help Alex with the edu/training part, too.

Sorry I missed the poll.  And wish I could be at ARGfest in July.  :(

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Christy Dena
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:23 AM
To: 'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps -
catch-up

Great!

OK, here is your catch-up/storysofar/recap email. :) 

On the 25th April I was surfing the web when I stumbled upon...nah.
hehe. 

1) DOMAIN NAME
Thanks to all the ace folks who dreamed up a domain name: Michelle
Senderhauf, Jan Libby, Bryan Alexander, Adrien Marie and Marc Williams.
I
know many of you have put in your votes through email but I've created a
poll. The reason being I figure that more people may vote if it is
anonymous, and we can have a set structure and end time for the poll.
This
will come through in an email following this one. Let me know if I got
something wrong on it! 

2) SOFTWARE + HOSTING
Great! We have three offers to host (well 4 actually, as I was going to
be a
back-up): John Evans, Ivan Askwith and Adam Martin! John was first off
the
rank and so looks like that is a go. [Adam, DH has ssh & ftp & sftp
access
etc with the ability to set privileges for different users so should be
OK.
But John can confirm.]

3) INITIATIVES
I've moved, added and deleted names according to those ace people who
voiced
their preferences and those who didn't. Lots more to fill!

* Annotated bibliography - Driver: Colin McNee? Team members: Colin,
Christy
Dena + ...
* ARG Developers - Driver: Michelle Senderhauf. Team members: Christy
Dena +
* Business Models - ...
* History of ARGs - Driver: Michelle Senderhauf...
* Antecedents to ARGs - Driver: Bryan Alexander ...
* ARG Design - ...
* ARGs in Education & Training - Driver: Alex Moseley...
* ARG Research - ...
* ARG player demographics -...
* ARG definitions - ...

4) GRAPHICS
Alex Moseley has put his hand up if no-one else steps forward instead or
as
well. :)

5) LAUNCH:
Michelle "varin" Senderhauf has proposed the target date for the first
reveal of this portal/resource/thingie initiative as ARG Fest, which is
in
Boston on July 18-20: http://www.argfestocon.com/. Great idea.

Onward ho!

Best,
Christy

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org]
On
Behalf Of Adam Martin
Sent: Sunday, 4 May 2008 20:45
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] A possible way forward? - first steps

On 02/05/2008, John Evans <btradish at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >2) SOFTWARE + HOSTING
> >As for software, I think a blog type style for the front part. (We
can
> >change this anytime of course.) The blog software is pretty easy to
use
for
> >everyone, enables us to have posts indicating updates and pages for
each
> >initiative. Or perhaps someone recommends Moodle instead or some
other
> >software? And then have a wiki and forum as well.
> >
> >Who wants to host? It needs to be either free or at low cost. John
Evans,
> >did you put your hand up?

Wow - great to see not one but multiple offers of hosting :).

The IGDA hosting is free but has been less than ideal :(.

I think nearly all problems to date came down to:
 - lack of direct access to ssh/ftp install plugins and new software
 - lack of direct access to webserver root and config

Wherever its hosted we also need to be sure we can get the data out
easily, both for backups and if we ever need to move it (I've been
bitten by that before).

Similar need for access applies to domain registration. We need to
have several people with admin access to the domain and each able to
pay renewal fees. Its very hard to workaround this stuff when your
site disappears at renewal time :).

Is that possible?

> Well, I have my Dreamhost account where I host a few websites.

Cool. If you've got DB and ssh or ftp access that should be fine.

If not, I've got a spare dedicated server that's currently just
running some simple wordpess blogs and is ridiculously overpowered for
what it's doing.
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From btradish at earthlink.net  Thu May  8 14:59:11 2008
From: btradish at earthlink.net (John Evans)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:59:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology stuff
Message-ID: <31183455.1210273151970.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>Right! Over to John! Do you want to register the domain names? Or perhaps
>register one, .org, and someone else registers .com (to share the cost
>burden)?

Either way is fine. I'm just thinking...The easiest way for me to do it
would be to register it on my hosting account, but someone else mentioned
that it might be good for other people to have access...Which means using
some other web registration service. That's the only issue that concerns
me.

Speaking of Drupal...My account has several "One-Click Installs" that are
really easy. Drupal is not one of them, *however* it does have Joomla!
and Pligg, which are also "open source content management systems".

I bet I could install Drupal myself, but it would take a little longer. ;)

--John Evans
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From morbus at disobey.com  Thu May  8 15:20:11 2008
From: morbus at disobey.com (Morbus Iff)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 15:20:11 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology stuff
In-Reply-To: <31183455.1210273151970.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <31183455.1210273151970.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4823526B.5020000@disobey.com>

> Speaking of Drupal...My account has several "One-Click Installs" that are
> really easy. Drupal is not one of them, *however* it does have Joomla!
> and Pligg, which are also "open source content management systems".

Generally speaking, one-click installs from hosts, I've found, have been 
the devil. They're either really old (security holes up the butt), or 
they're done in such a way that you can't work with them like you would 
if you just installed from scratch.

-- 
Morbus Iff ( there is no morbus, there is only zuul! )
Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779
Enjoy: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.videounderbelly.com/
aim: akaMorbus / skype: morbusiff / icq: 2927491 / jabber.org: morbus

From btradish at earthlink.net  Thu May  8 15:34:54 2008
From: btradish at earthlink.net (John Evans)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 15:34:54 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology stuff
Message-ID: <20223164.1210275294879.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>Generally speaking, one-click installs from hosts, I've found, have been 
>the devil. They're either really old (security holes up the butt), or 
>they're done in such a way that you can't work with them like you would 
>if you just installed from scratch.

I haven't had any problems yet. Let's see what versions they're offering...
Pligg 9.9, Joomla! 1.5.2, MediaWiki 1.12.0, WordPress 2.5.1, PHPBB 3.0.0.
Okay, PHPBB should be upgraded to 3.0.1, but other than that it all seems
up to date. And I'll set up an FTP user so trusted SIG members like
yourself can modify the installs. ;)

--John Evans
Chaoseed Software - http://chaoseed.com


From morbus at disobey.com  Thu May  8 15:38:33 2008
From: morbus at disobey.com (Morbus Iff)
Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 15:38:33 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology stuff
In-Reply-To: <20223164.1210275294879.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <20223164.1210275294879.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <482356B9.3080209@disobey.com>

> I haven't had any problems yet. Let's see what versions they're offering...
> Pligg 9.9, Joomla! 1.5.2, MediaWiki 1.12.0, WordPress 2.5.1, PHPBB 3.0.0.
> Okay, PHPBB should be upgraded to 3.0.1, but other than that it all seems
> up to date. And I'll set up an FTP user so trusted SIG members like
> yourself can modify the installs. ;)

Well, of those, the only ones I'd consider myself an advanced user in 
(being defined as: used for more than two years, installed/maintained 
more than three or four times, and some development work) would be 
MediaWiki. And I thought wikis were already ruled out as being Useful 
for this site. So, I wouldn't be FTPing at all ;)

(Note: I'm not trying to disparage any of these applications. I would 
have remarked about the one-click devil if, in fact, Drupal was part of 
those options too. I've just heard more bad things about one-clicks than 
I have good things.)

-- 
Morbus Iff ( whooooooo's hoooouuuuuse? )
Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779
Enjoy: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.videounderbelly.com/
aim: akaMorbus / skype: morbusiff / icq: 2927491 / jabber.org: morbus

From adrijackmarie at gmail.com  Thu May  8 15:43:51 2008
From: adrijackmarie at gmail.com (Adrien Marie)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 21:43:51 +0200
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology stuff
In-Reply-To: <482356B9.3080209@disobey.com>
References: <20223164.1210275294879.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<482356B9.3080209@disobey.com>
Message-ID: <111e86d20805081243o4af06722oe21c10c3126857c2@mail.gmail.com>

so much to read, sorry.
gg for the poll, happy to know what peoples thought , I would be pleased to
take a participation in one or other subject from the directory, i.e ARG
Design whatever.

ARGH!

A.j

2008/5/8 Morbus Iff <morbus at disobey.com>:

> I haven't had any problems yet. Let's see what versions they're offering...
>> Pligg 9.9, Joomla! 1.5.2, MediaWiki 1.12.0, WordPress 2.5.1, PHPBB 3.0.0.
>> Okay, PHPBB should be upgraded to 3.0.1, but other than that it all seems
>> up to date. And I'll set up an FTP user so trusted SIG members like
>> yourself can modify the installs. ;)
>>
>
> Well, of those, the only ones I'd consider myself an advanced user in
> (being defined as: used for more than two years, installed/maintained more
> than three or four times, and some development work) would be MediaWiki. And
> I thought wikis were already ruled out as being Useful for this site. So, I
> wouldn't be FTPing at all ;)
>
> (Note: I'm not trying to disparage any of these applications. I would have
> remarked about the one-click devil if, in fact, Drupal was part of those
> options too. I've just heard more bad things about one-clicks than I have
> good things.)
>
> --
> Morbus Iff ( whooooooo's hoooouuuuuse? )
> Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779
> Enjoy: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.videounderbelly.com/
> aim: akaMorbus / skype: morbusiff / icq: 2927491 / jabber.org: morbus
> _______________________________________________
> ARG_Discuss mailing list
> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>



-- 
-- 
--
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From me at addlepated.net  Thu May  8 15:45:01 2008
From: me at addlepated.net (D. Cook)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:45:01 -0500
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology stuff
In-Reply-To: <482356B9.3080209@disobey.com>
References: <20223164.1210275294879.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<482356B9.3080209@disobey.com>
Message-ID: <713D8CFF-4FAF-43FE-ABAA-3F455CCA8FCF@addlepated.net>

I've had terrible problems with one-click installations!  A few months  
ago I used Fantastico to install a forum for testing, then uninstalled  
it via the Fantastico interface.  It deleted the wrong database,  
erasing an established forum with years of posts on it.  Ay yi yi.

Upgrades can be a real pain, too.  Just be very careful if you use it  
and make sure you immediately update to the most current version. I've  
found that most of the time, my host's Fantastico has old software on  
it.

If it were me, I'd do it manually, or at most use one-click for  
initial install and do updates and tweaks manually.

On May 8, 2008, at 2:38 PM, Morbus Iff wrote:
>> (Note: I'm not trying to disparage any of these applications. I  
>> would have remarked about the one-click devil if, in fact, Drupal  
>> was part of those options too. I've just heard more bad things  
>> about one-clicks than I have good things.)


From despain at quantumcontent.com  Thu May  8 16:23:18 2008
From: despain at quantumcontent.com (despain at quantumcontent.com)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 13:23:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology stuff
In-Reply-To: <713D8CFF-4FAF-43FE-ABAA-3F455CCA8FCF@addlepated.net>
References: <20223164.1210275294879.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<482356B9.3080209@disobey.com>
	<713D8CFF-4FAF-43FE-ABAA-3F455CCA8FCF@addlepated.net>
Message-ID: <6245.69.144.84.21.1210278198.squirrel@webmail.quantumcontent.com>

Just for the record, I've had a good experience with one-click installs on
Dreamhost. I've used them for five years or so, and I have to say they are
less evil than most webhosts.

They're not perfect, but if you can't afford an enterprise-level server I
definitely recommend them. I've even used them for smaller sites in an ARG
web trail and had great success.

Wendy Despain
quantumcontent.com


From Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org  Thu May  8 18:51:57 2008
From: Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org (Bryan Alexander)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 18:51:57 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGs make it to University Exams
In-Reply-To: <48231506.6090305@thedigitaldemons.com>
References: <48231506.6090305@thedigitaldemons.com>
Message-ID: <08119B28F4B3FF46A5747921C9FAA6788B22D4@AA1EXCH06.office.share.org>

Very cool.
I'm looking forward to years from now, waiting for the first grad
student to be bored by such a question.  "C'mon, not *another* ARG
question!  We did that ages ago..."

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org]
On Behalf Of Marc Mcginley
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 10:58 AM
To: arg_discuss at igda.org
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGs make it to University Exams

Hi Guys,

Just thought you might like to know that in the final exam of my 
multimedia degree a question popped up about ARGs. To give a bit of 
background, the module (Emergent Multimedia Technologies) was student 
lead, with each student choosing a topic to give a one off lecture 
about. Some of the more interesting topics were then chosen for the
exam.

I think it's pretty cool that there's been a question on ARGs in a 
University exam, and I guess that my lecturer liked my presentation ;)

In case you're interested, here's the question. Please bear in mind that

the module's very broad so whilst it seems like an easy question for the

ARG crowd, the majority of the people on my course hadn't heard of
them...


2)

a)Define the term 'Alternate Reality Game', briefly distinguish them 
from more typical console type games. (4 marks)
 
b) Discuss in detail one recent ARG campaign (10 marks)
 
c) Identify what you believe to be particular challenges to the creation

of such games. (6 marks)

Marc
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From btradish at earthlink.net  Thu May  8 23:45:09 2008
From: btradish at earthlink.net (John Evans)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 23:45:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [arg_discuss] Argology starting up
Message-ID: <13891554.1210304709905.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I took the liberty of registering argology.org. If you go there now, there
is a WordPress blog.

http://www.argology.org
OR
http://argology.org
(Both go to the same place.)

You can register for the blog, but in order to post the admin has to
approve you.

There is also a wiki. Currently, there is no link to the wiki from the
blog page.

http://argology.org/wiki

I believe anyone can edit the wiki. (That will probably change soon,
so that only registered and approved users will be able to...)

If you'd like any of the administrative passwords for these things,
let me know off-list. (I figured posting them on a public list
*probably* wasn't a good idea.) Any other account activations or
software you'd like, again, let me know off-list. (Or on-list if it's
some interesting software you'd like to discuss.)

--John Evans
Chaoseed Software - http://chaoseed.com


From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Fri May  9 00:27:24 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:27:24 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] Argology starting up
In-Reply-To: <13891554.1210304709905.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20080509043247.EXYK1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>


It's alive!! Wohoo John!

Right, now here is the fun part. 

To add to your first draft John:

TITLE
*I tink* ARGology would emphasize ARG better than argology 

SUBTITLE
*I tink* creators can be scholars, and people who aren't either are
contributing too. So, we can summarize those who are involved and
communicate this is an IGDA ARG SIG initiative with:

"Information about Alternate Reality Games, by the IGDA ARG SIG members" 
Or
"Everything the in the Known Universe about Alternate Reality Games, an IGDA
ARG SIG Initiative"
Or
...Suggestions?

*I tink* a 3-column style would be appropriate for a resource. For example:
http://themes.wordpress.net/columns/3-columns/4206/modernpaper-10/

Thoughts? Suggestions?

*I tink* we need to get a logo creator cracking on a schmick header. Alex
Moseley generously offered his services if no-one else steps up. But we do
in fact have a full-time logo creator who has thrown his hat in. So,
considering, Alex, you're working on the educator section, I vote we should
embrace Marc Williams's kind offer. Marc, over to you.

Indeed, over to everyone!

Best,
Christy

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of John Evans
Sent: Friday, 9 May 2008 13:45
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: [arg_discuss] Argology starting up

I took the liberty of registering argology.org. If you go there now, there
is a WordPress blog.

http://www.argology.org
OR
http://argology.org
(Both go to the same place.)

You can register for the blog, but in order to post the admin has to
approve you.

There is also a wiki. Currently, there is no link to the wiki from the
blog page.

http://argology.org/wiki

I believe anyone can edit the wiki. (That will probably change soon,
so that only registered and approved users will be able to...)

If you'd like any of the administrative passwords for these things,
let me know off-list. (I figured posting them on a public list
*probably* wasn't a good idea.) Any other account activations or
software you'd like, again, let me know off-list. (Or on-list if it's
some interesting software you'd like to discuss.)

--John Evans
Chaoseed Software - http://chaoseed.com

_______________________________________________
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From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Fri May  9 00:39:07 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 14:39:07 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology: Initiative Update
Message-ID: <20080509044431.FKGQ1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>

 

Here is an update of the initiatives, with updates on who has put their hand
up for what, and which ones need people:

 

* Annotated bibliography - Colin McNee (colinmcnee at yahoo.com), Christy
Dena...

* ARG Developers - Michelle Senderhauf (varineq at gmail.com), Jan Libby ...

* History of ARGs - Michelle Senderhauf (varineq at gmail.com) ...

* Antecedents to ARGs - Bryan Alexander (Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org) ...

* ARGs in Education & Training - Alex Moseley (am14 at leicester.ac.uk), Bryan
Alexander ...

* ARG Design - Hugh Davies (marcus.helm at gmail.com), Adrien Marie, Christy
Dena...

* ARG Research -

* Business Models -

* ARG player demographics -

* ARG definitions -

 

Best,

Christy


From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Fri May  9 02:06:20 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 16:06:20 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] Argology starting up
In-Reply-To: <20080509043247.EXYK1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
Message-ID: <20080509061143.IXXM1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>


*cringes* Sorry for all the emails! 

I just realized that the site went to WP without any closure on the software
discussion. I was just excited to see it alive and so forgot about it. 

I think something like Drupal would be good. But, it would perhaps work well
to have a highly accessible system that people can use...and then export to
another one as the need emerges....

Keeps one eye on Morbus :)

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Christy Dena
Sent: Friday, 9 May 2008 14:27
To: 'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] Argology starting up


It's alive!! Wohoo John!

Right, now here is the fun part. 

To add to your first draft John:

TITLE
*I tink* ARGology would emphasize ARG better than argology 

SUBTITLE
*I tink* creators can be scholars, and people who aren't either are
contributing too. So, we can summarize those who are involved and
communicate this is an IGDA ARG SIG initiative with:

"Information about Alternate Reality Games, by the IGDA ARG SIG members" 
Or
"Everything the in the Known Universe about Alternate Reality Games, an IGDA
ARG SIG Initiative"
Or
...Suggestions?

*I tink* a 3-column style would be appropriate for a resource. For example:
http://themes.wordpress.net/columns/3-columns/4206/modernpaper-10/

Thoughts? Suggestions?

*I tink* we need to get a logo creator cracking on a schmick header. Alex
Moseley generously offered his services if no-one else steps up. But we do
in fact have a full-time logo creator who has thrown his hat in. So,
considering, Alex, you're working on the educator section, I vote we should
embrace Marc Williams's kind offer. Marc, over to you.

Indeed, over to everyone!

Best,
Christy

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of John Evans
Sent: Friday, 9 May 2008 13:45
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: [arg_discuss] Argology starting up

I took the liberty of registering argology.org. If you go there now, there
is a WordPress blog.

http://www.argology.org
OR
http://argology.org
(Both go to the same place.)

You can register for the blog, but in order to post the admin has to
approve you.

There is also a wiki. Currently, there is no link to the wiki from the
blog page.

http://argology.org/wiki

I believe anyone can edit the wiki. (That will probably change soon,
so that only registered and approved users will be able to...)

If you'd like any of the administrative passwords for these things,
let me know off-list. (I figured posting them on a public list
*probably* wasn't a good idea.) Any other account activations or
software you'd like, again, let me know off-list. (Or on-list if it's
some interesting software you'd like to discuss.)

--John Evans
Chaoseed Software - http://chaoseed.com

_______________________________________________
ARG_Discuss mailing list
ARG_Discuss at igda.org
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss

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From adrijackmarie at gmail.com  Fri May  9 05:48:28 2008
From: adrijackmarie at gmail.com (Adrien Marie)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 11:48:28 +0200
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology: Initiative Update
In-Reply-To: <20080509044431.FKGQ1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
References: <20080509044431.FKGQ1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
Message-ID: <111e86d20805090248u71a577f0i409fd9aac9414d22@mail.gmail.com>

hi Christy, I see that there are still topics which are missing volunteers,
as we are numerous in design you can put me into business models i.e
xx

2008/5/9 Christy Dena <cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com>:

>
>
> Here is an update of the initiatives, with updates on who has put their
> hand
> up for what, and which ones need people:
>
>
>
> * Annotated bibliography - Colin McNee (colinmcnee at yahoo.com), Christy
> Dena...
>
> * ARG Developers - Michelle Senderhauf (varineq at gmail.com), Jan Libby ...
>
> * History of ARGs - Michelle Senderhauf (varineq at gmail.com) ...
>
> * Antecedents to ARGs - Bryan Alexander (Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org) ...
>
> * ARGs in Education & Training - Alex Moseley (am14 at leicester.ac.uk),
> Bryan
> Alexander ...
>
> * ARG Design - Hugh Davies (marcus.helm at gmail.com), Adrien Marie, Christy
> Dena...
>
> * ARG Research -
>
> * Business Models -
>
> * ARG player demographics -
>
> * ARG definitions -
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Christy
>
> _______________________________________________
> ARG_Discuss mailing list
> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>



-- 
-- 
--
A.j Marie

From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Fri May  9 06:32:25 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 20:32:25 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology: Initiative Update
In-Reply-To: <111e86d20805090248u71a577f0i409fd9aac9414d22@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080509103749.VBER1196.nschwotgx02p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>


Great move! We do need someone there too. But, Adrien, please feel free to
keep contributing to the ARG design section too though. Indeed, anyone can
pop in ideas via email or to the list for any of the sections, at anytime.
The names are just those who are making sure it happens! And I don't think I
need to put my name down, as I'll be a floater really.

* Annotated bibliography - Colin McNee (colinmcnee at yahoo.com)...
* ARG Developers - Michelle Senderhauf (varineq at gmail.com), Jan Libby...
* History of ARGs - Michelle Senderhauf (varineq at gmail.com)...
* Antecedents to ARGs - Bryan Alexander (Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org)...
* ARGs in Education & Training - Alex Moseley (am14 at leicester.ac.uk), Bryan
Alexander ...
* ARG Design - Hugh Davies (marcus.helm at gmail.com), Adrien Marie...
* Business Models - Adrien Marie (adrijackmarie at gmail.com)...
* ARG player demographics -
* ARG Research -
* ARG definitions -

Best,
Christy

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Adrien Marie
Sent: Friday, 9 May 2008 19:48
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] ARGology: Initiative Update

hi Christy, I see that there are still topics which are missing volunteers,
as we are numerous in design you can put me into business models i.e
xx

2008/5/9 Christy Dena <cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com>:

>
>
> Here is an update of the initiatives, with updates on who has put their
> hand
> up for what, and which ones need people:
>
>
>
> * Annotated bibliography - Colin McNee (colinmcnee at yahoo.com), Christy
> Dena...
>
> * ARG Developers - Michelle Senderhauf (varineq at gmail.com), Jan Libby ...
>
> * History of ARGs - Michelle Senderhauf (varineq at gmail.com) ...
>
> * Antecedents to ARGs - Bryan Alexander (Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org) ...
>
> * ARGs in Education & Training - Alex Moseley (am14 at leicester.ac.uk),
> Bryan
> Alexander ...
>
> * ARG Design - Hugh Davies (marcus.helm at gmail.com), Adrien Marie, Christy
> Dena...
>
> * ARG Research -
>
> * Business Models -
>
> * ARG player demographics -
>
> * ARG definitions -
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Christy
>
> _______________________________________________
> ARG_Discuss mailing list
> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>



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From Markus.Montola at uta.fi  Fri May  9 08:33:22 2008
From: Markus.Montola at uta.fi (Markus Montola)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 15:33:22 +0300
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGs make it to University Exams
In-Reply-To: <48231506.6090305@thedigitaldemons.com>
References: <48231506.6090305@thedigitaldemons.com>
Message-ID: <20080509153322.gfrpiuos2a2o88o4@imp3.uta.fi>

> I think it's pretty cool that there's been a question on ARGs in a
> University exam, and I guess that my lecturer liked my presentation ;)

Cool!

But, I just guess we all were left wondering...

> a)Define the term 'Alternate Reality Game', briefly distinguish them
> from more typical console type games. (4 marks)

...what's the Correct Answer?


:-D

  - Markus Montola

    University of Tampere Hypermedialab
    Mobile: +358 44 544 2445

From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Thu May  8 03:11:39 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 17:11:39 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] NOW: ANONYMOUS POLL ON ARG SIG URL - Results
In-Reply-To: <20080504142801.NKMD1860.nschwotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>
Message-ID: <20080508071701.BNHB1861.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>


The results are in! Thanks everyone who voted, all 49 of you!

49 people voted in question 1 and 2 (which were compulsary) and 38 on Q3.
Here is the quick summary:

Q1: "ARGology" was the landslide winner with 85.7% or 42 votes

Q2: ".com and .org but redirects to .org" was the landslide winner with 51%
or 25 votes

Q3: "ARGH!" was the winner with 29/38 votes.

Further details:
Images of the results are (hopefully) attached. [If not, I'll pop them
online.] 

Q1: The winner is perhaps no surprise considering the response on the
listserv. The second in line was ARGON, with 4 votes; and then ARGnology,
ARGosy, ARGsRUs, ARGh and ARGSIG with 1 vote each; and ArGeeenialoG.com with
none. ARGh and ARGSIG were in the Other section and so no-one was able to
vote on them. I don't know why I did an Other field -- I should of just put
a Comments box to capture comments on errors etc. 

Q2: The winner of the domain extension was a surprise (to me) as the list
seemed to be tending towards a .com. But "com and .org but redirects to
.org" won with 25 votes; 11 votes for ".com and .org but redirects to .com";
5 for .com and .org only, respectively; and I'll include the Other comment
("or .net, .info perhaps? .com is too businessy") towards .net, which totals
2 votes.

Q3: Most people say "ARGH!" (29), but what surprised me was that 11 people
said they alternate them according to the audience (see ARGorARGOther pic);
9 say "A.R.G." only; 1 said "ARGH!" was a great idea, and another ventured
"Boooyaaah!" as well. 

Well, I'm glad we did the survey as more people voted that had through the
listserv, and the domain extension is a different result that what was
emerging on the listserv.

Right! Over to John! Do you want to register the domain names? Or perhaps
register one, .org, and someone else registers .com (to share the cost
burden)?

ARGology.org, here we come!

Best,
Christy

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Christy Dena
Sent: Monday, 5 May 2008 00:23
To: 'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'
Subject: [arg_discuss] NOW: ANONYMOUS POLL ON ARG SIG URL

Hey everyone,

We're doing a final vote on the URL for the new ARG SIG web initiative. 

There are 3 VERY short questions on this webpage:

http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=p6NPDipxKZ8lfa0zzp6gkg_3d_3d 

You can only answer the poll once per computer.

It closes on Weds 7th May.

When finished the page will return to the main page of the website rather
than give you a confirmation screen. Don't panic, your vote has been stored.
It is just a special feature of the freebie version. :)

Thanks!
Christy

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From dbwall at mac.com  Fri May  9 12:53:59 2008
From: dbwall at mac.com (D B Wall)
Date: Fri, 09 May 2008 09:53:59 -0700
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology stuff
In-Reply-To: <6245.69.144.84.21.1210278198.squirrel@webmail.quantumcontent.com>
References: <20223164.1210275294879.JavaMail.root@elwamui-karabash.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<482356B9.3080209@disobey.com>
	<713D8CFF-4FAF-43FE-ABAA-3F455CCA8FCF@addlepated.net>
	<6245.69.144.84.21.1210278198.squirrel@webmail.quantumcontent.com>
Message-ID: <451D3EC0-0119-1000-E4A5-431B0D640643-Webmail-10013@mac.com>

I'd second Wendy's endorsement. The one-clicks on Dreamhost are pretty reliable.

But here's the caveat. Do NOT use the one-clicks if you intend to mod or otherwise customize the core code. Updates become a bear to manage in that environment.

Also, in regards to Joomla... if you've never used it, play with it before you commit to it. I used it for something similar to this. It lasted about 3 months before I got frustrated with its limitations and switched to something else. The demos make it look a lot more functional than it is. If your content is deeper than one layer and wider than a few channels, you might be underwhelmed by how it organizes and display things.

In the end, though, I think you'd want to go with the solution that's easiest for whoever is maintaining the site to use.

 
On Thursday, May 08, 2008, at 03:23PM, <despain at quantumcontent.com> wrote:
>Just for the record, I've had a good experience with one-click installs on
>Dreamhost. I've used them for five years or so, and I have to say they are
>less evil than most webhosts.
>
>They're not perfect, but if you can't afford an enterprise-level server I
>definitely recommend them. I've even used them for smaller sites in an ARG
>web trail and had great success.
>
>Wendy Despain
>quantumcontent.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>ARG_Discuss mailing list
>ARG_Discuss at igda.org
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>
>

From netwurker at gmail.com  Fri May  9 16:02:22 2008
From: netwurker at gmail.com (mez breeze)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 06:02:22 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] Augmentology Entry Referencing ARGs
Message-ID: <bb7e89120805091302x65ad95ffo52093600d6040801@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Guys,

Mez Breeze here just writing a quick [lurk-breaking] note 2 let you kno that
my latest Augmentology [it''s -ology season apparently;)] discusses ARGs:
http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/05/09/active-narrative-gathering-the-attentional-will-not-be-televised/

I'd appreciate comments in whatever form [abusive, correctional, loquacious
etc]. Also, if my definitions aren't too far wrong, consider me for
providing definitions for ARGology.

Chunks,
Mez


-- 
: http://augmentology.com
: http://knott404.blogspot.com
: http://netwurker.livejournal.com

From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Fri May  9 20:38:28 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Sat, 10 May 2008 10:38:28 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology stuff
In-Reply-To: <451D3EC0-0119-1000-E4A5-431B0D640643-Webmail-10013@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20080510004352.EXUJ9173.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>


I'll third that. 

I did have some problems with security holes in WP, however...but that was
because I wasn't keeping ALL my websites updated and they were all on the
same FTP account. 

So John, I recommend having a separate ftp, preferably sftp for this site;
and an Advanced Mode 1-click install so we can add plugins etc.

And yes, Joomla is very counter intuitive. 

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of D B Wall
Sent: Saturday, 10 May 2008 02:54
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] ARGology stuff

I'd second Wendy's endorsement. The one-clicks on Dreamhost are pretty
reliable.

But here's the caveat. Do NOT use the one-clicks if you intend to mod or
otherwise customize the core code. Updates become a bear to manage in that
environment.

Also, in regards to Joomla... if you've never used it, play with it before
you commit to it. I used it for something similar to this. It lasted about 3
months before I got frustrated with its limitations and switched to
something else. The demos make it look a lot more functional than it is. If
your content is deeper than one layer and wider than a few channels, you
might be underwhelmed by how it organizes and display things.

In the end, though, I think you'd want to go with the solution that's
easiest for whoever is maintaining the site to use.

 
On Thursday, May 08, 2008, at 03:23PM, <despain at quantumcontent.com> wrote:
>Just for the record, I've had a good experience with one-click installs on
>Dreamhost. I've used them for five years or so, and I have to say they are
>less evil than most webhosts.
>
>They're not perfect, but if you can't afford an enterprise-level server I
>definitely recommend them. I've even used them for smaller sites in an ARG
>web trail and had great success.
>
>Wendy Despain
>quantumcontent.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>ARG_Discuss mailing list
>ARG_Discuss at igda.org
>http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>
>
_______________________________________________
ARG_Discuss mailing list
ARG_Discuss at igda.org
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss


From btradish at earthlink.net  Fri May  9 21:39:48 2008
From: btradish at earthlink.net (John Evans)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 21:39:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGology stuff
Message-ID: <23585665.1210383588658.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>So John, I recommend having a separate ftp, preferably sftp for this site;
>and an Advanced Mode 1-click install so we can add plugins etc.

Yep, I did that from the beginning. Does anyone else need the login
information for that account?

Also, I just installed PHPBB and upgraded it to 3.0.1:

http://www.argology.org/forum

--John Evans
Chaoseed Software - http://chaoseed.com


From andrhia at gmail.com  Tue May 13 20:24:46 2008
From: andrhia at gmail.com (Andrea Phillips)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 20:24:46 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] New York IGDA ARG Panel Tomorrow!
Message-ID: <5c799fd60805131724l4742fad1nfc980165d6d71e24@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder that tomorrow night is the IGDA New York Chapter's
panel on ARGs, starring Mike Monello, Sharon Applegate, Frank Lantz,
Catherine Herdlick, and a cast of thousands!

If you're in town, please try to come, I want to meet you. ^_^ You
don't have to be an IGDA member, it's totally free, and we will
adjourn for cold beverages and sparkling conversation afterward.

Date: Wednesday, May 14th , 6:30 - 9:00

Venue: Wollman Hall, Eugene Lang Building, 65 West 11th Street, 5th
floor (enter at 66 West 12th Street)

RSVP here to let us know you're coming:
http://nycgames.org/rsvp/alternate-reality-games-2008/

Thanks so much!

-- 
Andrea Phillips
andrhia at gmail.com
http://www.deusexmachinatio.com
Words * Culture * Interaction

From Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org  Wed May 14 09:03:17 2008
From: Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org (Bryan Alexander)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 09:03:17 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] New York IGDA ARG Panel Tomorrow!
References: <5c799fd60805131724l4742fad1nfc980165d6d71e24@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <08119B28F4B3FF46A5747921C9FAA67868B4CF@AA1EXCH06.office.share.org>

Arg!  I'm in town... and in meetings.  Arg (but not ARG).


-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org on behalf of Andrea Phillips
Sent: Tue 5/13/2008 8:24 PM
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: [arg_discuss] New York IGDA ARG Panel Tomorrow!
 
Just a reminder that tomorrow night is the IGDA New York Chapter's
panel on ARGs, starring Mike Monello, Sharon Applegate, Frank Lantz,
Catherine Herdlick, and a cast of thousands!

If you're in town, please try to come, I want to meet you. ^_^ You
don't have to be an IGDA member, it's totally free, and we will
adjourn for cold beverages and sparkling conversation afterward.

Date: Wednesday, May 14th , 6:30 - 9:00

Venue: Wollman Hall, Eugene Lang Building, 65 West 11th Street, 5th
floor (enter at 66 West 12th Street)

RSVP here to let us know you're coming:
http://nycgames.org/rsvp/alternate-reality-games-2008/

Thanks so much!

-- 
Andrea Phillips
andrhia at gmail.com
http://www.deusexmachinatio.com
Words * Culture * Interaction
_______________________________________________
ARG_Discuss mailing list
ARG_Discuss at igda.org
http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss


From andrhia at gmail.com  Wed May 14 17:17:25 2008
From: andrhia at gmail.com (Andrea Phillips)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 17:17:25 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] Eqal & CBS
Message-ID: <5c799fd60805141417j22961f0ej9f33afb4d4ada622@mail.gmail.com>

Everyone heard about this? CBS and Eqal, who make Lonelygirl15,
announced some sort of partnership.

What do we all think?

-- 
Andrea Phillips
andrhia at gmail.com
http://www.deusexmachinatio.com
Words * Culture * Interaction

From beth.a.dillon at gmail.com  Wed May 14 19:22:29 2008
From: beth.a.dillon at gmail.com (Beth Aileen Dillon)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:22:29 -0700
Subject: [arg_discuss] On ARG Web Design
Message-ID: <218b01990805141622w29bb847ay8c5e40949376fa4d@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all! Ian was nice enough to get interviewed and have his responses
turned into an introductory piece on ARG web design. I'm guessing
-most- people won't know what ARGs are so that groundwork needs to be
set first. You can check it out at
http://gamedev.sessions.edu/special/alternate-reality-game-web-design/.
I'm wondering if we can get a series of postmortems about different
ARG designs going, maybe just in relation to the web design at first
to make it less complicated (understanding how it's connected to
gameplay). Either from the designers themselves or from people willing
to critique/explain different ARGs. Like, for example, how the heck
did they come up with the "I love bees" web design? The basic idea of
a hacked page was there, yes, but stylistically someone had to be
behind all of those choices!

Further, the depth of web involvement/technology requirements really
varies. The GUN ARG had a whole networked online poker game with user
profiles and such. The variety in ARGs is widespread and I'd like to
have a place where we can learn lessons from one another about what
works, what doesn't, what looks snazzy, and so on.

Input much appreciated!
- Beth

-- 
Beth Aileen Dillon
PhD Student, Simon Fraser University
School of Interactive Arts and Technology
Research Assistant, Aboriginal Territories in Cyberspace
http://www.bethadillon.com

From wendeth at wendydespain.com  Wed May 14 21:47:16 2008
From: wendeth at wendydespain.com (Wendy Despain)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 18:47:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [arg_discuss] Eqal & CBS
In-Reply-To: <5c799fd60805141417j22961f0ej9f33afb4d4ada622@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5c799fd60805141417j22961f0ej9f33afb4d4ada622@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58654.72.254.48.245.1210816036.squirrel@webmail.wendydespain.com>

I think it's interesting that this is being announced at all.
I remember, back in the day when an ARG was started quietly so as not
to break the immersion.

Announcing ahead of time that you're working together with a
notoriously argish company is a different way of approaching the
problem and I'll watch with interest as it plays out.

It's also interesting that the press never really embraced
Lonelygirl15 for what it (she) was, and yet CBS saw value there.

Just a lot of interesting things about that deal - and I don't know
much about it at this point.

That's what I think. :-)

Wendy Despain
quantumcontent.com


On Wed, May 14, 2008 2:17 pm, Andrea Phillips wrote:
> Everyone heard about this? CBS and Eqal, who make Lonelygirl15,
> announced some sort of partnership.
>
> What do we all think?
>
> --
> Andrea Phillips
> andrhia at gmail.com
> http://www.deusexmachinatio.com
> Words * Culture * Interaction
> _______________________________________________
> ARG_Discuss mailing list
> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>


Wendy Despain
quantumcontent.com


From morbus at disobey.com  Thu May 15 08:03:31 2008
From: morbus at disobey.com (Morbus Iff)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:03:31 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] fold.it - solve puzzles for science
Message-ID: <482C2693.9070906@disobey.com>


I thought this was *amazing*, and of relevance:

   http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080508122520.htm

-- 
Morbus Iff ( i put the demon back in codemonkey )
Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779
Enjoy: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.videounderbelly.com/
aim: akaMorbus / skype: morbusiff / icq: 2927491 / jabber.org: morbus

From Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org  Thu May 15 20:26:22 2008
From: Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org (Bryan Alexander)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 20:26:22 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] fold.it - solve puzzles for science
References: <482C2693.9070906@disobey.com>
Message-ID: <08119B28F4B3FF46A5747921C9FAA67868B4EA@AA1EXCH06.office.share.org>

Very exciting, I agree.  I wonder how many folders there will be in a year.

I'm starting Michael Gruber's novel about ciphers.  Anyone else read this?


-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org on behalf of Morbus Iff
Sent: Thu 5/15/2008 8:03 AM
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: [arg_discuss] fold.it - solve puzzles for science
 

I thought this was *amazing*, and of relevance:

   http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080508122520.htm

-- 
Morbus Iff ( i put the demon back in codemonkey )
Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779
Enjoy: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.videounderbelly.com/
aim: akaMorbus / skype: morbusiff / icq: 2927491 / jabber.org: morbus
_______________________________________________
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From beth.a.dillon at gmail.com  Thu May 15 20:30:33 2008
From: beth.a.dillon at gmail.com (Beth Aileen Dillon)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:30:33 -0700
Subject: [arg_discuss] fold.it - solve puzzles for science
In-Reply-To: <08119B28F4B3FF46A5747921C9FAA67868B4EA@AA1EXCH06.office.share.org>
References: <482C2693.9070906@disobey.com>
	<08119B28F4B3FF46A5747921C9FAA67868B4EA@AA1EXCH06.office.share.org>
Message-ID: <218b01990805151730g5bdc3912hfd519f307c7952@mail.gmail.com>

Heh, "folders." Cute. The graphics are nice too, makes it all flowy
and mesmerizing.

- Beth


On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Bryan Alexander
<Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org> wrote:
> Very exciting, I agree.  I wonder how many folders there will be in a year.
>
> I'm starting Michael Gruber's novel about ciphers.  Anyone else read this?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org on behalf of Morbus Iff
> Sent: Thu 5/15/2008 8:03 AM
> To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
> Subject: [arg_discuss] fold.it - solve puzzles for science
>
>
> I thought this was *amazing*, and of relevance:
>
>   http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/05/080508122520.htm
>
> --
> Morbus Iff ( i put the demon back in codemonkey )
> Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779
> Enjoy: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.videounderbelly.com/
> aim: akaMorbus / skype: morbusiff / icq: 2927491 / jabber.org: morbus
> _______________________________________________
> ARG_Discuss mailing list
> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
> ARG_Discuss mailing list
> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
>



-- 
Beth Aileen Dillon
PhD Student, Simon Fraser University
School of Interactive Arts and Technology
Research Assistant, Aboriginal Territories in Cyberspace
http://www.bethadillon.com

From wendeth at wendydespain.com  Thu May 15 20:53:21 2008
From: wendeth at wendydespain.com (Wendy Despain)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:53:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [arg_discuss] an ARG FAQ
In-Reply-To: <218b01990805151730g5bdc3912hfd519f307c7952@mail.gmail.com>
References: <482C2693.9070906@disobey.com>
	<08119B28F4B3FF46A5747921C9FAA67868B4EA@AA1EXCH06.office.share.org>
	<218b01990805151730g5bdc3912hfd519f307c7952@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60930.72.254.63.81.1210899201.squirrel@webmail.wendydespain.com>

Hi folks,

I've been thinking one thing we really need is an FAQ about ARGs. So I
thought I'd just start with a few questions and answers. Feel free to
edit or disagree or add. I figure once we hash some of this out on the
list we can put it on a website somewhere. So here goes:

Frequently Asked Questions about Alternate Reality Games
(FAQ about ARGs)

1) What the heck is an ARG?

An Alternate Reality Game (ARG for short) tweaks elements of real life
to lead players down a path that tells a story and lets them help
shape that story. The internet is at its heart, but it crosses media
and blurs the lines with reality too.

2) What are some recent examples of ARGs I can read about?

Year Zero - Trent Reznor's solution to doing a concept album in an age
where MP3s don't come with liner notes and cover art. He pulled fans
into an alternate world described in his dark, apocalyptic music. It
ended with a private concert for those players who could follow the
clues to the final venue which was interrupted by a staged police
raid.
-- Wired Article
-- Nine Inch Nails Album Site
-- Wikipedia Entry

Art of the Heist - Audi introduced a new car model by setting up a
theft at a car show and letting players track down the culprits.
-- Business Week Article
-- Audi Press Release
-- Wikipedia Entry

Last Call Poker - The story behind a console video game called Gun,
set in the old west, was introduced through an online poker site where
players discovered some of their opponents were ghosts and tracked
down their tragic history. Groups gathered in graveyards to solve
puzzles.
-- CNET Article
-- Marketing Company Brief

The Lost Experience - A website for the fictional airline featured in
the show talks about the loss of the airplane and explains why no one
is searching for the survivors on the island. They even got an
executive from this non-existent company onto a late-night talk show
to give a straight interview about the families of the characters on
the show petitioning the company to go look for them.
-- ABC News Article
-- ABC's Lost Experience Site
-- Wikipedia Article




From beth.a.dillon at gmail.com  Sat May 17 15:49:27 2008
From: beth.a.dillon at gmail.com (Beth Aileen Dillon)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 12:49:27 -0700
Subject: [arg_discuss] On ARG Web Design
In-Reply-To: <218b01990805141622w29bb847ay8c5e40949376fa4d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <218b01990805141622w29bb847ay8c5e40949376fa4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <218b01990805171249s3abce419v9111303074e6893@mail.gmail.com>

Just another thought and/or question really...

How essential are web pages to ARGs? I mean historically, how much
have they really been the main playing field for ARGs? I'm trying to
think of ARGs without web pages, and those seem to be more like street
games or temporary GPS related games, nothing long term with a
persistent world.

- Beth


On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Beth Aileen Dillon
<beth.a.dillon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all! Ian was nice enough to get interviewed and have his responses
> turned into an introductory piece on ARG web design. I'm guessing
> -most- people won't know what ARGs are so that groundwork needs to be
> set first. You can check it out at
> http://gamedev.sessions.edu/special/alternate-reality-game-web-design/.
> I'm wondering if we can get a series of postmortems about different
> ARG designs going, maybe just in relation to the web design at first
> to make it less complicated (understanding how it's connected to
> gameplay). Either from the designers themselves or from people willing
> to critique/explain different ARGs. Like, for example, how the heck
> did they come up with the "I love bees" web design? The basic idea of
> a hacked page was there, yes, but stylistically someone had to be
> behind all of those choices!
>
> Further, the depth of web involvement/technology requirements really
> varies. The GUN ARG had a whole networked online poker game with user
> profiles and such. The variety in ARGs is widespread and I'd like to
> have a place where we can learn lessons from one another about what
> works, what doesn't, what looks snazzy, and so on.
>
> Input much appreciated!
> - Beth
>
> --
> Beth Aileen Dillon
> PhD Student, Simon Fraser University
> School of Interactive Arts and Technology
> Research Assistant, Aboriginal Territories in Cyberspace
> http://www.bethadillon.com
>



-- 
Beth Aileen Dillon
PhD Student, Simon Fraser University
School of Interactive Arts and Technology
Research Assistant, Aboriginal Territories in Cyberspace
http://www.bethadillon.com

From btradish at earthlink.net  Sat May 17 16:04:43 2008
From: btradish at earthlink.net (John Evans)
Date: Sat, 17 May 2008 16:04:43 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [arg_discuss] On ARG Web Design
Message-ID: <12020051.1211054683573.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

>From: Beth Aileen Dillon <beth.a.dillon at gmail.com>
>
>Just another thought and/or question really...
>
>How essential are web pages to ARGs? I mean historically, how much
>have they really been the main playing field for ARGs? I'm trying to
>think of ARGs without web pages, and those seem to be more like street
>games or temporary GPS related games, nothing long term with a
>persistent world.

There are several great things about websites.

1) Anyone with a net connection can visit them.
2) They can be visisted at any time of day or night.
3) It's easy to tell someone else the link so THEY can visit.
4) You can have all kinds of content, from text to images to audio
to video to entire Flash games.
5) It's also easy to have hidden areas, areas that need passwords,
information hidden in source code, and so on.
6) It's easy for visitors to interact, though email or submitting
forms. Even the act of visiting the website can affect the game.
(How Heisenbergian!)

So, that having been said, what can we do that can provide those
benefits in other ways? Let's focus on something that's easily
accessible and available 24 hours a day. You could post something
in the window of an office or a store. (Wasn't there some famous
author who would write a couple pages every day, then tape them up
onto his window so passersby could read them?) Or, how about a
bulletin board? I'm imagining a school where some student groups
have bulletin board space set aside from them in public areas,
while there are also public bulletin boards that anyone can use.

--John Evans
Chaoseed Software - http://chaoseed.com


From am14 at leicester.ac.uk  Mon May 19 04:57:21 2008
From: am14 at leicester.ac.uk (Moseley, A.)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:57:21 +0100
Subject: [arg_discuss] an ARG FAQ
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1210946403.15447.arg_discuss@igda.org>
References: <mailman.9.1210946403.15447.arg_discuss@igda.org>
Message-ID: <439DB4BD66E08F40903F804806A77AB368E3B6BD48@EXC-MBX1.cfs.le.ac.uk>

Hi Wendy,

"some web site somewhere" could be non-other than the new argology.org which Christy is masterminding. I think you just signed yourself up for an FAQ section with your excellent starter!

Alex.

_________________________________________
Alex Moseley, Principal Computer Officer,
Faculty of Arts, University of Leicester.
Tel: 0116 252 5317 | Email: am14 at le.ac.uk


> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:53:21 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Wendy Despain" <wendeth at wendydespain.com>
> Subject: [arg_discuss] an ARG FAQ
> To: "Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG" <arg_discuss at igda.org>
> Message-ID:
>
> <60930.72.254.63.81.1210899201.squirrel at webmail.wendydespain.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I've been thinking one thing we really need is an FAQ about ARGs. So I
> thought I'd just start with a few questions and answers. Feel free to
> edit or disagree or add. I figure once we hash some of this out on the
> list we can put it on a website somewhere. So here goes:
>
> Frequently Asked Questions about Alternate Reality Games
> (FAQ about ARGs)
>
> 1) What the heck is an ARG?
>
> An Alternate Reality Game (ARG for short) tweaks elements of real life
> to lead players down a path that tells a story and lets them help
> shape that story. The internet is at its heart, but it crosses media
> and blurs the lines with reality too.
>
> 2) What are some recent examples of ARGs I can read about?
>
> Year Zero - Trent Reznor's solution to doing a concept album in an age
> where MP3s don't come with liner notes and cover art. He pulled fans
> into an alternate world described in his dark, apocalyptic music. It
> ended with a private concert for those players who could follow the
> clues to the final venue which was interrupted by a staged police
> raid.
> -- Wired Article
> -- Nine Inch Nails Album Site
> -- Wikipedia Entry
>
> Art of the Heist - Audi introduced a new car model by setting up a
> theft at a car show and letting players track down the culprits.
> -- Business Week Article
> -- Audi Press Release
> -- Wikipedia Entry
>
> Last Call Poker - The story behind a console video game called Gun,
> set in the old west, was introduced through an online poker site where
> players discovered some of their opponents were ghosts and tracked
> down their tragic history. Groups gathered in graveyards to solve
> puzzles.
> -- CNET Article
> -- Marketing Company Brief
>
> The Lost Experience - A website for the fictional airline featured in
> the show talks about the loss of the airplane and explains why no one
> is searching for the survivors on the island. They even got an
> executive from this non-existent company onto a late-night talk show
> to give a straight interview about the families of the characters on
> the show petitioning the company to go look for them.
> -- ABC News Article
> -- ABC's Lost Experience Site
> -- Wikipedia Article
>
>
>
>
>
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From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Tue May 20 23:48:22 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:48:22 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] an ARG FAQ
In-Reply-To: <439DB4BD66E08F40903F804806A77AB368E3B6BD48@EXC-MBX1.cfs.le.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20080521035352.RMQP11861.nschwotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>


Great pickup Alex, and yes, sounds like a good idea for the site. Good stuff
Wendy.

I was thinking that the 'What the *^&% is an ARG?' question will be answered
in the 'What are ARGs?' section on the site. But having a FAQ section would
be good as well. I like your idea, Wendy, of a small selection of samples
with links to key content (as opposed to the listing in the wikipedia
entry). This small sample should include independent works too though, like
Metacortechs and the informative MU Archives
(http://www.metaurchins.org/book/page1.htm).

Also, I was thinking that the FAQ could work well as a myth-buster, in the
style that Adam was leaning towards in the ARG SIG website. For instance:

What is the difference between ARGs and augmented reality games?

What is the difference between ARGs and online virtual worlds or MMORPGs?

What is the difference between ARGs and other types of pervasive games?
[curly one!]

Best,
Christy  

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Moseley, A.
Sent: Monday, 19 May 2008 18:57
To: 'arg_discuss at igda.org'
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] an ARG FAQ

Hi Wendy,

"some web site somewhere" could be non-other than the new argology.org which
Christy is masterminding. I think you just signed yourself up for an FAQ
section with your excellent starter!

Alex.

_________________________________________
Alex Moseley, Principal Computer Officer,
Faculty of Arts, University of Leicester.
Tel: 0116 252 5317 | Email: am14 at le.ac.uk


> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:53:21 -0700 (PDT)
> From: "Wendy Despain" <wendeth at wendydespain.com>
> Subject: [arg_discuss] an ARG FAQ
> To: "Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG" <arg_discuss at igda.org>
> Message-ID:
>
> <60930.72.254.63.81.1210899201.squirrel at webmail.wendydespain.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I've been thinking one thing we really need is an FAQ about ARGs. So I
> thought I'd just start with a few questions and answers. Feel free to
> edit or disagree or add. I figure once we hash some of this out on the
> list we can put it on a website somewhere. So here goes:
>
> Frequently Asked Questions about Alternate Reality Games
> (FAQ about ARGs)
>
> 1) What the heck is an ARG?
>
> An Alternate Reality Game (ARG for short) tweaks elements of real life
> to lead players down a path that tells a story and lets them help
> shape that story. The internet is at its heart, but it crosses media
> and blurs the lines with reality too.
>
> 2) What are some recent examples of ARGs I can read about?
>
> Year Zero - Trent Reznor's solution to doing a concept album in an age
> where MP3s don't come with liner notes and cover art. He pulled fans
> into an alternate world described in his dark, apocalyptic music. It
> ended with a private concert for those players who could follow the
> clues to the final venue which was interrupted by a staged police
> raid.
> -- Wired Article
> -- Nine Inch Nails Album Site
> -- Wikipedia Entry
>
> Art of the Heist - Audi introduced a new car model by setting up a
> theft at a car show and letting players track down the culprits.
> -- Business Week Article
> -- Audi Press Release
> -- Wikipedia Entry
>
> Last Call Poker - The story behind a console video game called Gun,
> set in the old west, was introduced through an online poker site where
> players discovered some of their opponents were ghosts and tracked
> down their tragic history. Groups gathered in graveyards to solve
> puzzles.
> -- CNET Article
> -- Marketing Company Brief
>
> The Lost Experience - A website for the fictional airline featured in
> the show talks about the loss of the airplane and explains why no one
> is searching for the survivors on the island. They even got an
> executive from this non-existent company onto a late-night talk show
> to give a straight interview about the families of the characters on
> the show petitioning the company to go look for them.
> -- ABC News Article
> -- ABC's Lost Experience Site
> -- Wikipedia Article
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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> ARG_Discuss at igda.org
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From jamiebono at gmail.com  Wed May 21 12:13:15 2008
From: jamiebono at gmail.com (J. James Bono)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 12:13:15 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] Introduction and question about ARGs and the Writing
	Classroom
Message-ID: <d6a9fb490805210913o242b14f7kab17285d7e6a12a1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, Everyone!

I've been a long-time lurker here and have found the list to be very, very
useful so I felt I should introduce myself.  My name is Jamie Bono and I am
a PhD student studying rhetoric and digital media at the University of
Pittsburgh (go Penguins!).  I've been writing a lot about ARGs over the
years and have experimented with them as tools in my composition and
rhetoric classes.  I have a piece in *Computers and Composition
Online*(forthcoming summer 2008) called "Alternate Reality Games:
Composition,
Collaboration, and Real Community Play" which deals with incorporating ARG
play (specifically *World Without Oil*) into the comp/rhet classroom.

Since everyone here has been buzzing about the new site (which is an
excellent idea!), I thought I would step up and volunteer to help out.  Let
me know where I can be useful and I'll get to it!

Also, I would be interested to hear from anyone else who is working on ARGs
from the perspective of rhetorical education, First Year Comp, or any other
pedagogical application.

Best,

Jamie

-- 
=============
J. James Bono
Department of English
University of Pittsburgh
Cathedral of Learning 517-T
jamiebono at gmail.com
jjb56 at pitt.edu
(412) 567-7845

From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Fri May 23 01:36:17 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:36:17 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] Introduction and question about ARGs and the
	WritingClassroom
In-Reply-To: <d6a9fb490805210913o242b14f7kab17285d7e6a12a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080523054148.FQED9173.nskntotgx03p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>


That's great Jamie!

I look forward to reading your forthcoming piece. Make sure you ping the
list when it is out. 

As for contributing to the website? Great! Here are the sections so far, of
which you're welcome to join any or many...though you may want to jump into
the ARGs in EDU team...?

* Annotated bibliography - Colin McNee (colinmcnee at yahoo.com)...
* ARG Developers - Michelle Senderhauf (varineq at gmail.com), Jan Libby...
* History of ARGs - Michelle Senderhauf (varineq at gmail.com)...
* Antecedents to ARGs - Bryan Alexander (Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org)...
* ARGs in Education & Training - Alex Moseley (am14 at leicester.ac.uk), Bryan
Alexander ...
* ARG Design - Hugh Davies (marcus.helm at gmail.com), Adrien Marie...
* Business Models - Adrien Marie (adrijackmarie at gmail.com)...
* ARG player demographics -
* ARG Research -
* ARG definitions -

Best,
Christy

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of J. James Bono
Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2008 02:13
To: arg_discuss at igda.org
Subject: [arg_discuss] Introduction and question about ARGs and the
WritingClassroom

Hello, Everyone!

I've been a long-time lurker here and have found the list to be very, very
useful so I felt I should introduce myself.  My name is Jamie Bono and I am
a PhD student studying rhetoric and digital media at the University of
Pittsburgh (go Penguins!).  I've been writing a lot about ARGs over the
years and have experimented with them as tools in my composition and
rhetoric classes.  I have a piece in *Computers and Composition
Online*(forthcoming summer 2008) called "Alternate Reality Games:
Composition,
Collaboration, and Real Community Play" which deals with incorporating ARG
play (specifically *World Without Oil*) into the comp/rhet classroom.

Since everyone here has been buzzing about the new site (which is an
excellent idea!), I thought I would step up and volunteer to help out.  Let
me know where I can be useful and I'll get to it!

Also, I would be interested to hear from anyone else who is working on ARGs
from the perspective of rhetorical education, First Year Comp, or any other
pedagogical application.

Best,

Jamie

-- 
=============
J. James Bono
Department of English
University of Pittsburgh
Cathedral of Learning 517-T
jamiebono at gmail.com
jjb56 at pitt.edu
(412) 567-7845
_______________________________________________
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From jamiebono at gmail.com  Fri May 23 12:37:43 2008
From: jamiebono at gmail.com (J. James Bono)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:37:43 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] Website - ARGs and Education
Message-ID: <d6a9fb490805230937i27961482vb6a69cf2348040f9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Christy!

Well, the ARGs and education area sounds right up my alley!  Also, I've
known Bryan for a while and it will be great to work with him.  I find it
interesting that nobody has filled the "Definitions" role yet.  Defining
ARGs is something I've been struggling with for a long time, so I'd be
interested in helping out in that area also.

Cheers,

Jamie

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>
> That's great Jamie!
>
> I look forward to reading your forthcoming piece. Make sure you ping the
> list when it is out.
>
> As for contributing to the website? Great! Here are the sections so far, of
> which you're welcome to join any or many...though you may want to jump into
> the ARGs in EDU team...?
>
> * Annotated bibliography - Colin McNee (colinmcnee at yahoo.com)...
> * ARG Developers - Michelle Senderhauf (varineq at gmail.com), Jan Libby...
> * History of ARGs - Michelle Senderhauf (varineq at gmail.com)...
> * Antecedents to ARGs - Bryan Alexander (Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org)...
> * ARGs in Education & Training - Alex Moseley (am14 at leicester.ac.uk),
> Bryan
> Alexander ...
> * ARG Design - Hugh Davies (marcus.helm at gmail.com), Adrien Marie...
> * Business Models - Adrien Marie (adrijackmarie at gmail.com)...
> * ARG player demographics -
> * ARG Research -
> * ARG definitions -
>
> Best,
> Christy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org]
> On
> Behalf Of J. James Bono
> Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2008 02:13
> To: arg_discuss at igda.org
> Subject: [arg_discuss] Introduction and question about ARGs and the
> WritingClassroom
>
> Hello, Everyone!
>
> I've been a long-time lurker here and have found the list to be very, very
> useful so I felt I should introduce myself.  My name is Jamie Bono and I am
> a PhD student studying rhetoric and digital media at the University of
> Pittsburgh (go Penguins!).  I've been writing a lot about ARGs over the
> years and have experimented with them as tools in my composition and
> rhetoric classes.  I have a piece in *Computers and Composition
> Online*(forthcoming summer 2008) called "Alternate Reality Games:
> Composition,
> Collaboration, and Real Community Play" which deals with incorporating ARG
> play (specifically *World Without Oil*) into the comp/rhet classroom.
>
> Since everyone here has been buzzing about the new site (which is an
> excellent idea!), I thought I would step up and volunteer to help out.  Let
> me know where I can be useful and I'll get to it!
>
> Also, I would be interested to hear from anyone else who is working on ARGs
> from the perspective of rhetorical education, First Year Comp, or any other
> pedagogical application.
>
> Best,
>
> Jamie
>
> --
> =============
> J. James Bono
> Department of English
> University of Pittsburgh
> Cathedral of Learning 517-T
> jamiebono at gmail.com
> jjb56 at pitt.edu
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=============
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Cathedral of Learning 517-T
jamiebono at gmail.com
jjb56 at pitt.edu
(412) 567-7845

From marcus.helm at gmail.com  Sun May 25 00:16:48 2008
From: marcus.helm at gmail.com (Hugh Davies)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 06:16:48 +0200
Subject: [arg_discuss] On ARG Web Design
In-Reply-To: <12020051.1211054683573.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <12020051.1211054683573.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4ca6fcda0805242116p2228f940m64c07a751c730f9e@mail.gmail.com>

I run the odd street based treasure hunt though my arts group Analogue Art
Map and as the title suggests, we aim to use non-digital technology in
favour of obsolete media.
However we have used web sites and blog a couple of times for the reason
that John suggests above.

While its great to leave notes, hide maps, leave notes on bulletin boards,
jigsaw puzzles and other physical media, players can only experience these
things one at a time and player and non players alike might also remove them
from their locations destroying the interactive architecture at any point.
This also restricts your game to physical locations and only people within a
certain proximity are able to participate.

In terms of something that you can access anytime of day, a phone number
that can be called with an answering machine giving players more information
is always good. This also allows payers to leave messages and if its
engaged, there is sense of other players involvement.

Accepting a single location of play area, I also recommend reffering to
immovable objects such as statues, names of buildings and streets etc to
provide information. for example.

"add the street number of the city library with the post/zip code of its
location. Call that number to recieve your next clue"

Chances are that you have their phone number now too.

But getting back on subject, i believe that ARG's can be achieved without
websites, but are fairly limited to say the least.

hugh


On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 10:04 PM, John Evans <btradish at earthlink.net> wrote:

> >From: Beth Aileen Dillon <beth.a.dillon at gmail.com>
> >
> >Just another thought and/or question really...
> >
> >How essential are web pages to ARGs? I mean historically, how much
> >have they really been the main playing field for ARGs? I'm trying to
> >think of ARGs without web pages, and those seem to be more like street
> >games or temporary GPS related games, nothing long term with a
> >persistent world.
>
> There are several great things about websites.
>
> 1) Anyone with a net connection can visit them.
> 2) They can be visisted at any time of day or night.
> 3) It's easy to tell someone else the link so THEY can visit.
> 4) You can have all kinds of content, from text to images to audio
> to video to entire Flash games.
> 5) It's also easy to have hidden areas, areas that need passwords,
> information hidden in source code, and so on.
> 6) It's easy for visitors to interact, though email or submitting
> forms. Even the act of visiting the website can affect the game.
> (How Heisenbergian!)
>
> So, that having been said, what can we do that can provide those
> benefits in other ways? Let's focus on something that's easily
> accessible and available 24 hours a day. You could post something
> in the window of an office or a store. (Wasn't there some famous
> author who would write a couple pages every day, then tape them up
> onto his window so passersby could read them?) Or, how about a
> bulletin board? I'm imagining a school where some student groups
> have bulletin board space set aside from them in public areas,
> while there are also public bulletin boards that anyone can use.
>
> --John Evans
> Chaoseed Software - http://chaoseed.com
>
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From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Sun May 25 03:23:10 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 07:23:10 -0000
Subject: [arg_discuss] Website - ARGs and Education
In-Reply-To: <d6a9fb490805230937i27961482vb6a69cf2348040f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080525072306.QYTZ18502.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>


Great! Jamie, give Alex and/or Bryan an email if they haven't contacted you
already. OK, here is the updated iniative list, with Wendy on FAQ duty. :)

* Annotated bibliography - Colin McNee (colinmcnee at yahoo.com)...
* ARG Developers - Michelle Senderhauf (varineq at gmail.com), Jan Libby...
* History of ARGs - Michelle Senderhauf (varineq at gmail.com)...
* Antecedents to ARGs - Bryan Alexander (Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org)...
* ARGs in Education & Training - Alex Moseley (am14 at leicester.ac.uk), 
Bryan Alexander, Jamie James Bono ...
* ARG Design - Hugh Davies (marcus.helm at gmail.com), Adrien Marie...
* Business Models - Adrien Marie (adrijackmarie at gmail.com)...
* ARG player demographics - Christy Dena ...
* ARG Research -
* ARG definitions - Jamie James Bono (jamiebono at gmail.com)...
* ARG FAQ - Wendy Despain (wendeth at wendydespain.com)...

Don't forget we're looking at a launch for the site on July 18-20 @
http://www.argfestocon.com/. 

Best,
Christy

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of J. James Bono
Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 02:38
To: arg_discuss at igda.org
Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] Website - ARGs and Education

Hi Christy!

Well, the ARGs and education area sounds right up my alley!  Also, I've
known Bryan for a while and it will be great to work with him.  I find it
interesting that nobody has filled the "Definitions" role yet.  Defining
ARGs is something I've been struggling with for a long time, so I'd be
interested in helping out in that area also.

Cheers,

Jamie

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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 15:36:17 +1000
> From: "Christy Dena" <cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com>
> Subject: Re: [arg_discuss] Introduction and question about ARGs and
>        the     WritingClassroom
> To: "'Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG'" <arg_discuss at igda.org>
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>
> That's great Jamie!
>
> I look forward to reading your forthcoming piece. Make sure you ping the
> list when it is out.
>
> As for contributing to the website? Great! Here are the sections so far,
of
> which you're welcome to join any or many...though you may want to jump
into
> the ARGs in EDU team...?
>
> * Annotated bibliography - Colin McNee (colinmcnee at yahoo.com)...
> * ARG Developers - Michelle Senderhauf (varineq at gmail.com), Jan Libby...
> * History of ARGs - Michelle Senderhauf (varineq at gmail.com)...
> * Antecedents to ARGs - Bryan Alexander (Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org)...
> * ARGs in Education & Training - Alex Moseley (am14 at leicester.ac.uk),
> Bryan
> Alexander ...
> * ARG Design - Hugh Davies (marcus.helm at gmail.com), Adrien Marie...
> * Business Models - Adrien Marie (adrijackmarie at gmail.com)...
> * ARG player demographics -
> * ARG Research -
> * ARG definitions -
>
> Best,
> Christy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org]
> On
> Behalf Of J. James Bono
> Sent: Thursday, 22 May 2008 02:13
> To: arg_discuss at igda.org
> Subject: [arg_discuss] Introduction and question about ARGs and the
> WritingClassroom
>
> Hello, Everyone!
>
> I've been a long-time lurker here and have found the list to be very, very
> useful so I felt I should introduce myself.  My name is Jamie Bono and I
am
> a PhD student studying rhetoric and digital media at the University of
> Pittsburgh (go Penguins!).  I've been writing a lot about ARGs over the
> years and have experimented with them as tools in my composition and
> rhetoric classes.  I have a piece in *Computers and Composition
> Online*(forthcoming summer 2008) called "Alternate Reality Games:
> Composition,
> Collaboration, and Real Community Play" which deals with incorporating ARG
> play (specifically *World Without Oil*) into the comp/rhet classroom.
>
> Since everyone here has been buzzing about the new site (which is an
> excellent idea!), I thought I would step up and volunteer to help out.
Let
> me know where I can be useful and I'll get to it!
>
> Also, I would be interested to hear from anyone else who is working on
ARGs
> from the perspective of rhetorical education, First Year Comp, or any
other
> pedagogical application.
>
> Best,
>
> Jamie
>
> --
> =============
> J. James Bono
> Department of English
> University of Pittsburgh
> Cathedral of Learning 517-T
> jamiebono at gmail.com
> jjb56 at pitt.edu
> (412) 567-7845
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From netwurker at gmail.com  Sun May 25 21:43:12 2008
From: netwurker at gmail.com (mez breeze)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 11:43:12 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] Question Regarding ARGs
Message-ID: <bb7e89120805251843o45d81797sd3be31f5efa97e54@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Guys,

I've had a query at augmentology.com from Jeremy Turner that reads thusly:

"I thought I would quickly ask any of the Aug-readers if there is an example
of an Alternate Reality game that is not based on emergent narratives
derived from social networking sites (Facebook/Twitter) but actually is one
that has a full top-down structure and is not based on any video game?

The only ARGs I have heard of so far are used as either promotional material
for a pre-existing video game or music album or were not initially
constructed as an ARG such as those emergent narrative tweet-a-thons."

If anyone can provide an answer via comments please do:

http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/05/23/identity-ecologies-avatar-formations/#comments
Also, I'm not sure if you missed my offer to contribute to ARGology's
definitions?

Chunks,
Mez Breeze

-- 
: http://augmentology.com
: http://knott404.blogspot.com
: http://netwurker.livejournal.com

From andrhia at gmail.com  Sun May 25 21:52:04 2008
From: andrhia at gmail.com (Andrea Phillips)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 21:52:04 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] Question Regarding ARGs
In-Reply-To: <bb7e89120805251843o45d81797sd3be31f5efa97e54@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bb7e89120805251843o45d81797sd3be31f5efa97e54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c799fd60805251852t51d5a57xa87fb1a639a3df3f@mail.gmail.com>

Well, there was Perplex City...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perplex_city

Perplex City made fairly spare use of MySpace and Twitter, and no
Facebook at all, as I recall. I'm not sure what you mean by a "full
top-down structure," but most of its narrative happened on an in-game
newspaper site, a few character blogs, and websites for various city
institutions, along with the real-world treasure hunt and other live
events. It was designed from the very beginning as an ARG, and wasn't
promoting anything else; it was a stand-alone entertainment product.

Edoc Laundry and World Without Oil might also fit these criteria of
yours, but I'm afraid I can't quite pin down what those are. Can you
be a little more specific?

(And I'm sure others will soon chime in with their own examples... :)

On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 9:43 PM, mez breeze <netwurker at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I've had a query at augmentology.com from Jeremy Turner that reads thusly:
>
> "I thought I would quickly ask any of the Aug-readers if there is an example
> of an Alternate Reality game that is not based on emergent narratives
> derived from social networking sites (Facebook/Twitter) but actually is one
> that has a full top-down structure and is not based on any video game?
>
> The only ARGs I have heard of so far are used as either promotional material
> for a pre-existing video game or music album or were not initially
> constructed as an ARG such as those emergent narrative tweet-a-thons."
>
> If anyone can provide an answer via comments please do:
>
> http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/05/23/identity-ecologies-avatar-formations/#comments
> Also, I'm not sure if you missed my offer to contribute to ARGology's
> definitions?
>
> Chunks,
> Mez Breeze
>
> --
> : http://augmentology.com
> : http://knott404.blogspot.com
> : http://netwurker.livejournal.com
> _______________________________________________
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>



-- 
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andrhia at gmail.com
http://www.deusexmachinatio.com
Words * Culture * Interaction

From netwurker at gmail.com  Sun May 25 22:00:59 2008
From: netwurker at gmail.com (mez breeze)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 12:00:59 +1000
Subject: [arg_discuss] Question Regarding ARGs
In-Reply-To: <5c799fd60805251852t51d5a57xa87fb1a639a3df3f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bb7e89120805251843o45d81797sd3be31f5efa97e54@mail.gmail.com>
	<5c799fd60805251852t51d5a57xa87fb1a639a3df3f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <bb7e89120805251900h55eddee9le854c6cc28f5b8e@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andrea.

As the inquiry isn't from me, could you please repost this to the comment
section as linked below?

I'm sure Jeremy will be more specific on request.

Chunks,
Mez Breeze

On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Andrea Phillips <andrhia at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, there was Perplex City...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perplex_city
>
> Perplex City made fairly spare use of MySpace and Twitter, and no
> Facebook at all, as I recall. I'm not sure what you mean by a "full
> top-down structure," but most of its narrative happened on an in-game
> newspaper site, a few character blogs, and websites for various city
> institutions, along with the real-world treasure hunt and other live
> events. It was designed from the very beginning as an ARG, and wasn't
> promoting anything else; it was a stand-alone entertainment product.
>
> Edoc Laundry and World Without Oil might also fit these criteria of
> yours, but I'm afraid I can't quite pin down what those are. Can you
> be a little more specific?
>
> (And I'm sure others will soon chime in with their own examples... :)
>
> On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 9:43 PM, mez breeze <netwurker at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > I've had a query at augmentology.com from Jeremy Turner that reads
> thusly:
> >
> > "I thought I would quickly ask any of the Aug-readers if there is an
> example
> > of an Alternate Reality game that is not based on emergent narratives
> > derived from social networking sites (Facebook/Twitter) but actually is
> one
> > that has a full top-down structure and is not based on any video game?
> >
> > The only ARGs I have heard of so far are used as either promotional
> material
> > for a pre-existing video game or music album or were not initially
> > constructed as an ARG such as those emergent narrative tweet-a-thons."
> >
> > If anyone can provide an answer via comments please do:
> >
> >
> http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/05/23/identity-ecologies-avatar-formations/#comments
> > Also, I'm not sure if you missed my offer to contribute to ARGology's
> > definitions?
> >
> > Chunks,
> > Mez Breeze
> >
> > --
> > : http://augmentology.com
> > : http://knott404.blogspot.com
> > : http://netwurker.livejournal.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > ARG_Discuss mailing list
> > ARG_Discuss at igda.org
> > http://five.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/arg_discuss
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Andrea Phillips
> andrhia at gmail.com
> http://www.deusexmachinatio.com
> Words * Culture * Interaction
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: http://netwurker.livejournal.com

From cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com  Sun May 25 22:20:09 2008
From: cdena at cross-mediaentertainment.com (Christy Dena)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 02:20:09 -0000
Subject: [arg_discuss] Question Regarding ARGs
In-Reply-To: <bb7e89120805251843o45d81797sd3be31f5efa97e54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080526022001.LVEP18502.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@HPPIE>

Hey Mez,

Yes, I'm sorry, I did miss your offer to contribute to ARG definitions! We'd
be happy to have a mez-style rendering of how you see ARGs on ARGology. :)

Best,
Christy

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of mez breeze
Sent: Monday, 26 May 2008 11:43
To: arg_discuss at igda.org
Subject: [arg_discuss] Question Regarding ARGs

Hi Guys,

I've had a query at augmentology.com from Jeremy Turner that reads thusly:

"I thought I would quickly ask any of the Aug-readers if there is an example
of an Alternate Reality game that is not based on emergent narratives
derived from social networking sites (Facebook/Twitter) but actually is one
that has a full top-down structure and is not based on any video game?

The only ARGs I have heard of so far are used as either promotional material
for a pre-existing video game or music album or were not initially
constructed as an ARG such as those emergent narrative tweet-a-thons."

If anyone can provide an answer via comments please do:

http://arsvirtuafoundation.org/research/2008/05/23/identity-ecologies-avatar
-formations/#comments
Also, I'm not sure if you missed my offer to contribute to ARGology's
definitions?

Chunks,
Mez Breeze

-- 
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: http://knott404.blogspot.com
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From wendeth at wendydespain.com  Fri May 30 05:41:22 2008
From: wendeth at wendydespain.com (Wendy Despain)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 02:41:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGfest?
In-Reply-To: <08119B28F4B3FF46A5747921C9FAA67868B4CF@AA1EXCH06.office.share.org>
References: <5c799fd60805131724l4742fad1nfc980165d6d71e24@mail.gmail.com>
	<08119B28F4B3FF46A5747921C9FAA67868B4CF@AA1EXCH06.office.share.org>
Message-ID: <6411.69.144.84.21.1212140482.squirrel@webmail.wendydespain.com>

Hello folks.

I'm trying to decide about going to ARGfest in Boston. I haven't gone
previous years, so I don't know much about how useful it really is.

Anyone care to share their experience with that convention?

Wendy Despain
quantumcontent.com


From gupfee at gmail.com  Fri May 30 07:55:51 2008
From: gupfee at gmail.com (Gupfee)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 07:55:51 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGfest?
In-Reply-To: <6411.69.144.84.21.1212140482.squirrel@webmail.wendydespain.com>
References: <5c799fd60805131724l4742fad1nfc980165d6d71e24@mail.gmail.com>
	<08119B28F4B3FF46A5747921C9FAA67868B4CF@AA1EXCH06.office.share.org>
	<6411.69.144.84.21.1212140482.squirrel@webmail.wendydespain.com>
Message-ID: <2cbc13f50805300455t23c946f6n7e52b22c6a52f35@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not sure what you mean by "useful," but you can get an idea about the
Con part of ARGfest-o-Con by watching video of last year's panels on YouTube
and/or ARGN. For some of the social highlights, there is an "ARGFest" tag on
flickr.  The ARGFest website, www.argfestocon.com, will be updated with all
of this year's information as we know and can confirm it.

We are currently working on the final speaker schedule and hope to announce
it soon. Feel free to ask if you have any specific questions.

Marie, ARGFest planner (and attender)

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 5:41 AM, Wendy Despain <wendeth at wendydespain.com>
wrote:

> Hello folks.
>
> I'm trying to decide about going to ARGfest in Boston. I haven't gone
> previous years, so I don't know much about how useful it really is.
>
> Anyone care to share their experience with that convention?
>
> Wendy Despain
> quantumcontent.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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From bclark at gmdstudios.com  Fri May 30 08:58:24 2008
From: bclark at gmdstudios.com (Brian Clark)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 08:58:24 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] Question Regarding ARGs
In-Reply-To: <bb7e89120805251843o45d81797sd3be31f5efa97e54@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005001c8c254$d932b6c0$6b00a8c0@PKDHEAD>

>"I thought I would quickly ask any of the Aug-readers if there
>is an example of an Alternate Reality game that is not based on
>emergent narratives derived from social networking sites
>(Facebook/Twitter) but actually is one that has a full top-down
>structure and is not based on any video game?

I'm not sure I completely understand your distinction, but I think most of
our work falls into that category (it was neither derived from social
networking sites or based upon an existing video game). So depending how you
choose to define "ARG" that means you could throw in "Legend of the Sacred
Urns," "The Art of the Heist," "Who is Benjamin Stove?," and "Eldritch
Errors" (and if you have a looser definition of ARG like myself, you could
at least add in "Nothing So Strange" and "Freakylinks".)

The only one that maybe DOESN'T fall into that would be "Beta-7" (but even
then, the story of the game has very little to do with the sports game it
helped promote and was not "set in the universe" of ESPN NFL Football.)


Brian



From libfli at aol.com  Fri May 30 09:56:43 2008
From: libfli at aol.com (libfli at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 09:56:43 -0400
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGfest?
In-Reply-To: <6411.69.144.84.21.1212140482.squirrel@webmail.wendydespain.com>
References: <5c799fd60805131724l4742fad1nfc980165d6d71e24@mail.gmail.com>	<08119B28F4B3FF46A5747921C9FAA67868B4CF@AA1EXCH06.office.share.org>
	<6411.69.144.84.21.1212140482.squirrel@webmail.wendydespain.com>
Message-ID: <8CA9074206141A6-578-1F1C@webmail-nf03.sim.aol.com>

i think argfest is a great opportunity to speak with and connect to the
core "community". ?these are the people who are "first to arrive" on many games.

they organize wikis, first to interact, the keep forums on track, and at times become a part of our

stories. ?chatting with players is a great learning experience.. especially as the genre

grows. ?interesting to hear what they'd love to see happen in a game and what they

think doesn't work.




although we see other pms at the bigger gaming conventions, argfest is intimate

enough to really hang out and get to know people.




and its fun. :)



-----Original Message-----
From: Wendy Despain <wendeth at wendydespain.com>
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG <arg_discuss at igda.org>
Sent: Fri, 30 May 2008 2:41 am
Subject: [arg_discuss] ARGfest?








Hello folks.

I'm trying to decide about going to ARGfest in Boston. I haven't gone
previous years, so I don't know much about how useful it really is.

Anyone care to share their experience with that convention?

Wendy Despain
quantumcontent.com

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