[arg_discuss] Aug. 18 SIG IRC Chat Transcript

[Christy Dena]

Yay! Looks like you all had fun. Sorry I couldn't make it. I'll agree
belatedly that the cards would be good to hand out to people who want to
know about ARGs. I can hand some out at conferences and guest lectures and I
was thinking of offering some to post to people (at my own cost) -- with an
invite on one of my blogs. Just letting you know in case others here think
they could do the same. 

The photo idea is great -- it would be good to get a flickr gallery page on
ARGology too. The site needs colour...even a black background or something
to counter-balance the white logo?! 

And, I think it would be good if anyone was giving a public talk (industry &
academic conferences) about ARGs (seems the Hons are the most active at the
moment!), to post a news item about it before-hand on ARGology. So, talks
any where around the world would be good, to help make the site a primary
resource for all 'About ARGs' info.

Love the idea of the weekly chat Andrea. 

Yay! 

Best,
Christy

-----Original Message-----
From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org [mailto:arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org] On
Behalf Of Andrea Phillips
Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2008 04:17
To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG
Subject: [arg_discuss] Aug. 18 SIG IRC Chat Transcript

We had a nice turnout, and the transcript follows. For those of you
without the fortitude to read through it, I'm going to be sending out
a little flurry of posts with action items over the next hour or two.

*************

[6:00pm]
Andrhia: OK!
[6:00pm]
Andrhia: Let's get this party started, then!
[6:00pm]
Andrhia: Welcome one and all to our intermittently periodic IGDA ARG
SIG IRC Chat!
[6:01pm]
Andrhia: I'm your hostess, Andrea Phillips; our beloved leader Adam
Martin will very likely not be joining us today.
[6:01pm]
Andrhia: He does, however, send his regrets.
[6:01pm]
Andrhia: First, let's all go round a circle and introduce ourselves,
so we can match up IRC nicks with names and accomplishments...
[6:02pm]
adrien: i m adrien
[6:02pm]
_varin: hehe
[6:02pm]
Jas0n|AporiaCME: :)
[6:02pm]
catherwash: alphabetically?
[6:02pm]
catherwash is now known as catherwood.
[6:02pm]
Andrhia: I'm, as I said, Andrea Phillips; I do freelance writing and
game design for ARGs. Formerly of Mind Candy and Perplex City, and
even before that from Cloudmakers.
[6:02pm]
Andrhia: I think we can all go at once and it'll be fine ^_^
[6:03pm]
JohnEvans: Egad, chaos!
[6:03pm]
Andrhia: *yes*
[6:03pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: Wouldn't have it any other way...
[6:03pm]
Baroblik: I'm Geneviève from Montreal. I did The Rivard Project and
few other ARG in Quebec.
[6:03pm]
AgentLex|Uhmmm: Okay, I'm Lex, and I'm a gatecrasher. I mena, I'm
currently running Alpha Agency, which somehow people thought had a
good trailhead. I'm kinda experimenting with wht I call a "net
curtain" blogging as I PM
[6:03pm]
macmonkey joined the chat room.
[6:03pm]
adam joined the chat room.
[6:03pm]
catherwood: well i'm catherwood everywhere, but you'd know me from
Unfiction forums, as i do not post to the SIG mailing list -- i'm a
player and i like meta discussions, but i'll never be a PM
[6:03pm]
Jas0n|AporiaCME: I'm Jason Chrest, Aporia Cross-Media Entertainment,
I've worked on Ny Takma and the current Aporia Agathon Project... long
time on the Sig list first time in the sig chat :)
[6:04pm]
labfly joined the chat room.
[6:04pm]
Jas0n|AporiaCME: (mac, adam, jan - we're doing introductions - just
blurting them out)
[6:04pm]
_varin: I'm Michelle Senderhauf.  I've as a freelancer on several
projects including World Without Oil, Catching the Wish and Monster
Hunter Club
[6:05pm]
_varin: gah, I've *worked*
[6:05pm]
adrianhon: I'm Adrian Hon, lead designer and co-founder of Six to
Start. Our latest projects have been We Tell Stories, Liberty News (UK
only, alas) and Young Bond: The Shadow War. Back at Mind Candy, I was
lead designer of Perplex City.
[6:05pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: David Flor, a.k.a. "Nighthawk", software developer
and President of Darklight Interactive. Did Looking Glass Labs in the
past, and am now struggling through my game called "BoL/SiD". Also
creator of the "Brain Clouds" blogging software.
[6:05pm]
Jas0n|AporiaCME: (and evil inquisitor!)
[6:05pm]
jlr1001: I'm J.L. Reid, a freelance writer and marketing guy from
Raleigh NC.  Mostly I've been a player/lurker, but I'm interested in
stepping behind the curtain... soon...
[6:05pm]
JohnEvans: I'm John Evans, known for administrating Argology.org,
rambling on the ARG SIG ML and working on various small indie-type
projects.
[6:06pm]
adrianhon: (I'm also running the 'Let's Change the Game' charity ARG
project, and the winning team is releasing their 'Sleeper Cell' game
very soon!)
[6:06pm]
labfly: hey i am jan libby i created both sammeeeeees projects and
worked w lonelygirl15
[6:06pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: (I hope somebody's gonna keep a log of this... right?)
[6:06pm]
Andrhia: Yes, logs
[6:06pm]
•
catherwood automatically logs
[6:06pm]
Jas0n|AporiaCME: samee
[6:06pm]
Jas0n|AporiaCME: (er same)
[6:06pm]
TikiMike: I'm Mike Monello, partner in Campfire, have been involved
with True Blood, Art of the Heist, Beta-7, Blair Witch, and a host of
other cross media projects.
[6:06pm]
adrien: where did i already see this "lonelygirl15" pseudo ?
[6:07pm]
macmonkey: I'm Marc McGinley, just graduated in multimedia technology
and design where I did a grassroots ARG for my dissertation. Currently
working on bigger things :)
[6:07pm]
Andrhia: You're due to explain the Tiki thing, Mike...
[6:07pm]
Andrhia: You can't leave your Twitterpeeps hanging like that!
[6:07pm]
][mez][: i'm mez breeze, ARG theorist + complier of the augmentology.com
site.
[6:07pm]
naomialderman joined the chat room.
[6:07pm]
Baroblik: ( like Nighthawk suggest - will we get access to the log
after this chat ?)
[6:08pm]
adam: Adam Martin, used to work with Adrian, Andrea, et al @ mindcandy.
[6:08pm]
TikiMike: hahaha, it's a bit of an obsession. I'm transforming a
conference room at the office into a polynesian paradise. You'll have
to drop by and check it out
[6:08pm]
Andrhia: I typically post the log to the mailing list a bit afterward
[6:08pm]
Andrhia: Ahhh, OK :)
[6:08pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: I have to ask: how long has this list been around?
[6:08pm]
Gupfzz is now known as Gupfee.
[6:08pm]
Andrhia: The list has been around for a couple of years...
[6:08pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: ... Secret cabal then. I get it. Go on...
[6:09pm]
Andrhia: Trying way hard not to be secret!
[6:09pm]
adam: started december 2005 / jan 2006
[6:09pm]
adrien: git
[6:09pm]
Andrhia: We still need intros from Dan, Naomi, Gupfee, lurker?
[6:09pm]
adrien: gut
[6:09pm]
catherwood: yep, the web archives go back that far (if anyone wants to
read archives) http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/arg_discuss/
[6:10pm]
naomialderman: hello, sorry I'm late
[6:10pm]
Andrhia: And ygramul, who is idle?
[6:10pm]
adrien: no but thanks
[6:10pm]
Andrhia: We're just introducing ourselves yet
[6:10pm]
Gupfee: Hi, I'm otherwise known as Marie Lamb, worked on some
grassroots games and World Without Oil, currently available for any
opportunities ;)
[6:11pm]
Andrhia: Hmm. As further intros may or may not trickle in, I have just
a couple of official orders of business.
[6:11pm]
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[6:11pm]
Andrhia: The first one is this: http://www.argology.org/arg-developers/
[6:11pm]
naomialderman: I'm Naomi, I used to be lead writer on Perplex City,
may she rest in peace, and wrote an ARG for wetellstories.co.uk at the
start of this year. I write other things too.
[6:11pm]
danhon: Hello, I'm Dan Hon, CEO and co-founder of Six to Start, ex of
Cloudmakers and Mind Candy, now working on the stuff Adrian already
talked about.
[6:11pm]
daveszulborski joined the chat room.
[6:11pm]
Andrhia: If you are a studio or a freelancer and you are not on this
list, but you would LIKE to be, please do email the address at the
bottom of the page
[6:11pm]
Andrhia: Again, that URL:
[6:11pm]
Andrhia: http://www.argology.org/arg-developers/
[6:12pm]
Andrhia: Trying to make it nice and authoritative.
[6:12pm]
Sam_3 joined the chat room.
[6:12pm]
Andrhia: Welcome, new joiners, we're still going round and introducing
ourselves :)
[6:12pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: I found that whining on your blog about not being on
that list works, too... ;)
[6:13pm]
daveszulborski558 joined the chat room.
[6:13pm]
AgentLex|Uhmmm: heheh
[6:13pm]
Jas0n|AporiaCME: welcome again Dave :P
[6:13pm]
Andrhia: Yes, that does in fact work
[6:13pm]
Sam_3: Hi, took me a while to finally get in!
[6:13pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: Hi Dave and Dave's evil twin!
[6:13pm]
daveszulborski558: hello
[6:13pm]
daveszulborski558: not sure why there are two of me ;)
[6:13pm]
Baroblik: Thanks for the link Andrhia - I would love to be on this list.
[6:13pm]
Andrhia: We don't have many formal things to talk about tonight
[6:14pm]
Andrhia: A little self-congratulation all around for lanching ARGolog
[6:14pm]
Andrhia: y
[6:14pm]
AgentLex|Uhmmm: Now I need to come up with a "studio" name? heh
[6:14pm]
AgentLex|Uhmmm: Woo argology
[6:14pm]
Andrhia: I think we'd do well to link to the panel videos on ARGN from there
[6:14pm]
Andrhia: But in all, well done, and we should try to keep the site
growing and updating :)
[6:15pm]
Andrhia: In the interests or promoting ARGology, I've brought up
ordering ARGology Moo cards
[6:15pm]
adrien: i m celebrating with excellent cheese mixed with honey....
[6:15pm]
Andrhia: And then distributing them to SIG members, who could hand
them out to people asking for more information about ARGs as required
[6:15pm]
adrien: :D
[6:15pm]
][mez][: sounds fab.
[6:15pm]
Baroblik: :)
[6:16pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: Who would I distribute to? I ain't got anyone within
five hundred miles of here.
[6:16pm]
Jas0n|AporiaCME is now known as Jas0n.
[6:16pm]
Andrhia: I'm thinking that if we were to order, say, a thousand cards,
then we could send 20 cards each to 50 SIG members? Or 50 cards each
to 20 SIG members...
[6:16pm]
Andrhia: Well then, you don't need to have them ^_^
[6:16pm]
adrien: exhilarating is the word
[6:16pm]
Andrhia: It would be on a volunteer basis to people who think they'd
get a lot of use out of them
[6:17pm]
Andrhia: I'm not sure how to size up the order, though; we need to
know how many people are actually interested in having them
[6:17pm]
adrien: i personnaly have ordererd moo cards
[6:17pm]
adrien: i can tell u that it s spending fast
[6:17pm]
Andrhia: And how many those people think they'd be able to use over, say, a
year
[6:18pm]
adrien: would be better i think 50/20
[6:18pm]
Andrhia: Can anyone think of a way to guesstimate this, or a way to
force people to participate in a poll?
[6:18pm]
Jas0n: there are electronic versions of moo cards correct?
[6:18pm]
adrien: electronic ones ?
[6:18pm]
Andrhia: I mean, we can order 500 cards, or 2000; the trick is in
working out how many we really do want to get.
[6:18pm]
adrien: how come ?
[6:18pm]
adam: we could also take a stack to conferences and give them away in
hcunks fo 100 (or whatever) to anyeone who was present
[6:18pm]
naomialderman: perhaps send a message out to the list to ask people if
they want some?
[6:18pm]
macmonkey: why don't we just order a small amount and see how it goes?
[6:18pm]
macmonkey: ;)
[6:18pm]
Jas0n: most of the people I communicate with on ARGs is done over the
computer via e-mail, skype, and cell
[6:18pm]
adrien: members can financially participate tough
[6:19pm]
Andrhia: The SIG is entitled to a small amount of money from the IGDA
[6:19pm]
Andrhia: We I'd want to put in a grant request to use that money; and
the more we order, the beter a volume discount we can get from Moo
[6:19pm]
Andrhia: Naomi: I did such a hting and got close to no response...
[6:19pm]
naomialderman: personally I'd probably just write "argology.org"  on
my personal cards when I give them out
[6:20pm]
jlr1001: How much money is the SIG entitled to?
[6:20pm]
adrien: ok then maybe will i renew my membership which expires soon
[6:20pm]
Andrhia: I'm not sure how much exactly, but it's not very much
[6:20pm]
Andrhia: The ARGology thing would probably about kick it :)
[6:20pm]
][mez][: could we make an online evrsion? widgets? soem type of
organised sig file? soc net thing?
[6:20pm]
jlr1001: And what other plans would require some of that money?
[6:20pm]
][mez][: version, even
[6:20pm]
Andrhia: We don't have much in the way of money-spending plans at the moment
[6:20pm]
adrien: we re trying to put things forward too here in france
[6:20pm]
adam: also, we can make the designs avaialble for *anyone* to order
their own moo cards using those designs
[6:21pm]
jlr1001: agree with adam... that might make the most sense.
[6:21pm]
Baroblik: I like adam's idea
[6:21pm]
adrien: i ve tried it but without success, perhaps 'cause of the pict.format
[6:22pm]
adam: you can setup moo orders from sources appropriately so that it
works, I've worked with other people who've done it before.
[6:22pm]
adrien: *to design my own card*
[6:22pm]
adam: I think easiest is just to put things on flickr :)
[6:22pm]
adrien: *with the argology logo*
[6:23pm]
Andrhia: ...so is the Moo idea just not popular then?
[6:23pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: Sorry, was away for a sec.
[6:23pm]
adam: I think the "bulk order, paid for by IGDA" would be good for the
handful of peopel who naturally do a lot of conferences etc
[6:23pm]
Andrhia: The feeling seems to be 'waste of time and money'
[6:23pm]
adam: ?
[6:24pm]
adam: NB: we have money to spend. We shouldn't spend it frivolously,
but if we don't spend it, it does us no good at all :). And we don't
have much, but we do have somehwere in the region of hundreds of
dollars a year
[6:24pm]
naomialderman: do the moderators think they'd use them?
[6:24pm]
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[6:24pm]
adam: PLUS we can apply for "one-off" requests for up to thousands of
dollars a year from a general pot, if we have good justification
[6:24pm]
adam: (just fyi)
[6:24pm]
adrien: Jas0n:electronic versions ? *rfid*?
[6:25pm]
•
Jas0n doesn't know :P
[6:25pm]
Andrhia: I could use a handful a year; I suspect people like Adam and
Christy could use a lot more
[6:25pm]
adrien: well moo cards definitly is a good idea
[6:25pm]
adam: I would hand out in the region of 50-100 a year I think. Around
10-20 per conference
[6:25pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: I missed a lot it seems. If you want something
electronic or digital, I can easily arrange it.
[6:25pm]
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[6:25pm]
adrien: most important is to give to good peoples in good places
[6:26pm]
JohnEvans: Electronic is easy, and probably useful, but a physical
card would have a certain presence.
[6:26pm]
_varin: agreed
[6:26pm]
labfly: i agree - i go to plenty of meetings where i could hand them out
[6:26pm]
adrianhon: ditto
[6:26pm]
adam: re-order times with moo cards are very short, so I'd be
interested to try it with a smallish order size and see what happens
[6:26pm]
Baroblik: same here
[6:27pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: You got a link for these "moo cards"?
[6:27pm]
_varin: I wouldn't need any myself though, as most of you are at any
meeting I would attend ;)
[6:27pm]
Andrhia: OK
[6:27pm]
jlr1001: www.moo.com
[6:27pm]
Sam_3: I love physical cards!
[6:27pm]
Andrhia: So call it 200 mini-cards for a first order?
[6:27pm]
•
Nighthawk|DFlor facepalms
[6:27pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: Duh
[6:27pm]
Gupfee: I'd like one for my own little swag shrine :) but the only
place I'd see myself handing them out would be ARGFest
[6:27pm]
JohnEvans: they're like business cards but smaller and cuter. ;)
[6:27pm]
Andrhia: *so cute*
[6:27pm]
adam: http://www.moo.com/products/minicards.php
[6:27pm]
TikiMike: I love physical cards, but I would rather followup a meeting
with an email and a link to the site than hand out a separate card to
someone
[6:28pm]
AgentLex|Uhmmm: Same, Gup. I think that there's 2 groups of us, those
whose profession is ARGs, and those whose hobby is ARGs. Professionals
will need the cards :)
[6:28pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: Do we have a logo or creative for the cards themselves?
[6:29pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: ...and how about those of us that WANT to be professional?

:)

[6:29pm]
adam: NB: it costs no more or less to have every single card printed
differently
[6:29pm]
adrien: JohnEvans: u could now integrate electronic within papersee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-frequency_identification
[6:29pm]
Andrhia: Tiki: I feel like I need to make a clean distinction between
representing myself and representing the SIG, but that doesn't apply
to everybody ^_^
[6:29pm]
adam: so I'd assumed we'd come up with a family of designs
[6:29pm]
adrien: i ve seen doing with visit cards
[6:29pm]
Andrhia: And we do have an ARGology logo, see: Upper left at ARGology.org
[6:30pm]
adrien: why is upper left ?
[6:30pm]
adrien: :s
[6:30pm]
Andrhia: Because this is where it is on the page?
[6:30pm]
adam: re: 200 cards ... howabout 20 cards for everyone who thinks
they'll hand them out at conferences etc. That will probably be in the
region of 10-20 people, I guess?
[6:30pm]
adrien: 50/20
[6:30pm]
jlr1001: (having to step away for a few...)
[6:30pm]
labfly: i'm off to a sunday olympics theme party - nk - :)  goo moo
cards i will check out the log later bye, everybody!
[6:30pm]
Andrhia: Sounds fine to me...
[6:31pm]
adam: (i.e. yes, 200 sounds fine, unless there's a lot more people who
feel they'd have opportunities to hand them around :))
[6:31pm]
Jas0n: later Jan :)
[6:31pm]
AgentLex|Uhmmm: See ya Jan
[6:31pm]
adrien: plus : which contact would be on these cards?
[6:31pm]
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[6:31pm]
adrien: should it mentionned a local contact or the mothership ?
[6:31pm]
Andrhia: It would just be the site
[6:32pm]
Andrhia: And maybe the admin email, but probably just the URL
[6:32pm]
adrien: yes but
[6:32pm]
adrien: okay
[6:32pm]
Baroblik: Since the homebase is the argology.com ... that would be the best
[6:32pm]
adam: mailing list signup URL? :) (we could make an easier URL on
argology that redirects?)
[6:33pm]
adam: (since the mailng list seems to consistently be the main centre
of communication at the moment)
[6:33pm]
adrien: i assume the giver will do the rest
[6:33pm]
Andrhia: Hm, maybe
[6:33pm]
catherwood: not everyone you're handing these to belong on the
discussion/mailing list
[6:34pm]
Andrhia: No, hopefully none of them would
[6:34pm]
Andrhia: It would be a recruiting tool
[6:34pm]
Andrhia: Among other things
[6:34pm]
adam: hmm... you know, we CAN have a unique contact printed on each
card as well.
[6:35pm]
Andrhia: This makes distributing them troublesome
[6:35pm]
Baroblik: need a little phrase - punch line on the top of the url +
email explaning exactly what we are handing this little card for ...
[6:35pm]
Andrhia: Because then we have to know in advance how many people get
how many cards, and can't repurpose them at conferences
[6:35pm]
Andrhia: The idea is not for these to be personal cards.
[6:35pm]
adam: sorry, to be clear: I was suggesting that the cards hve ARGOLOGY
on the back, plus URL, plus tagline, and then instead of a contact
email address, have a singup email / URL to the mailing list.
[6:36pm]
adam: yep.
[6:36pm]
Baroblik: Join the force - www.argology.com
[6:36pm]
AgentLex|Uhmmm: Is there enough room on a minicard for all that?
[6:36pm]
Andrhia: .org
[6:36pm]
Andrhia: .com is not ours
[6:36pm]
adrien: i should recommend the argology.com (or was it .org?) to mark eyles
[6:36pm]
Baroblik: sorry ... i was to quick
[6:36pm]
][mez][: we could try a more cryptic apporach...with just the webiste
on it. seems fitting somehow.
[6:36pm]
adam: 6 lines of text on back is standard, although often you leave
some lines blank to make the formmating loook nicer (effectively
making paragraph breaks)
[6:36pm]
catherwood: adam, that's why i asked who these are for and why you'd
send them to the mailing list?
[6:37pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: ..in ROT-13... ;)
[6:37pm]
Andrhia: We'd send them to people on the mailing list to pass out to
people who are NOT on the mailing list yet
[6:37pm]
Andrhia: People who don't know much about ARGs but would like to learn more.
[6:38pm]
catherwood: but not potential clients, i guess?
[6:38pm]
Jas0n: I was thinking they'd be for people who are potential clients
who are seeking more information about the genre -- and/or other
people in the entertainment industry who seem interested in learning
more about the genre
[6:38pm]
Andrhia: Sure, potential clients
[6:38pm]
adam: catherwood: ah, I see. I'm assuming they're for everyone/anyone.
Thinking about it more, I think putting contact details for any
individuals on the back is a bad idea :). The purpose is to promote
the site, not any person
[6:38pm]
jlr1001: But would/should everyone end up on the mailing list?
[6:38pm]
adrien: u are all very sweet, i now am goin to sleep
[6:38pm]
Jas0n: g'night adrien
[6:38pm]
adrien: good night everyone
[6:39pm]
adrien: see "ya
[6:39pm]
AgentLex|Uhmmm: Night adrien
[6:39pm]
_varin: good night
[6:39pm]
Andrhia: Potential clients was actually one of the original use cases,
so to speak
[6:39pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: I imagined it was late over there. G'night.
[6:39pm]
adrien: all the best pal'
[6:39pm]
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[6:39pm]
AgentLex|Uhmmm: Ohcrap, it's Omega
[6:39pm]
Andrhia: Or people who have approached you asking you to put together
an ARG proposal, but maybe don't know what they're getting into
[6:39pm]
adrien: :)
[6:39pm]
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[6:40pm]
Andrhia: Or people who have started to make cross-media projects that
just might be ARGs, who might love to know about our community
[6:41pm]
adam: jlr1001: the mailnig list seems to be a good place for people to
end up who are intersted in all the things that ARGology is
explaining, showing, promoting, etc
[6:41pm]
Baroblik: Or people saying they are ARG developpers but haven't played
one or create one yet ;) Sorry ... It happened to me a lot lately.
[6:41pm]
Jas0n: lol
[6:41pm]
Andrhia: Baroblik: Hah, I suppose that isn't surprising. :)
[6:41pm]
Jas0n: io9 ;)
[6:42pm]
Baroblik: Not surprising, but not really that fun something :)
[6:42pm]
][mez][: so we're kinda pre-supposing any potential card-recipients
have a priori info re ARGs, whcih is y i'd pitch a more cryptic
approach. tho maybe that could be for a separate proj?
[6:42pm]
adam: does anyone have ideas for individual designs to put on the picture
side?
[6:42pm]
Andrhia: We of course have the ARGology logo
[6:42pm]
Andrhia: Could we use the IGDA logo as well?
[6:43pm]
adam: ah ... mixing with mez's comment: we could have some cryptic
interesting stuff on some of the picture sides?
[6:43pm]
Baroblik: Numbers ... Letters ... All sorts of codes
[6:43pm]
naomialderman: [I have a completely off-the-point question. Should the
argology site contain a mini-ARG?]
[6:43pm]
][mez][: oo me likey
[6:43pm]
Andrhia: I am against this plan, frankly
[6:44pm]
Andrhia: The Writer's SIG does not need to be in narrative form, for
example; the Casual Games SIG does not need its own Flash game gallery
[6:44pm]
catherwood: don't create barriers for people honestly looking for
information, but if it's in a side directory or "samples" section,
maybe
[6:44pm]
Andrhia: We're trying to make the information easily accessible and obvious
[6:44pm]
AgentLex|Uhmmm: I'm with Andrea on that one. ARGology is more of a
resource - though an "example of an ARG" article might be useful
[6:44pm]
adam: well ... but the writers sig does write books
[6:44pm]
Andrhia: If we could hit them over the head with a hammer, I'd be done with
that
[6:44pm]
][mez][: naomi>> i thought about that wehn argology 1st went live, but
decided it may add confusion 2 a site really that presents itself as
straight info-directed, not open enuff 2 incorporate a cross-media
approach?
[6:44pm]
Andrhia: er, down
[6:44pm]
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Jas0n agrees with Andrea and Cather
[6:44pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: We have a few examples already, no?
[6:45pm]
Andrhia: And frankly, I think that the 'well, who gets to design the
official ARGology Cunning Thing' would introduce a competitive element
I would rather not see.
[6:45pm]
Andrhia: We do have some sample ARGs, yes
[6:45pm]
Andrhia: They're linked from the main SIG page
[6:45pm]
][mez][: a spin-off/applied eg would work well, but it would have to
be transparent in execution
[6:45pm]
TikiMike: totally agree -- the more cryptic argology becomes the less
useful as a resource
[6:45pm]
•
catherwood should probably look at the site for real sometime
[6:45pm]
Baroblik: In the design of a small card like this, I think that less is more
...
[6:46pm]
adam: howabout using a couple of card designs as examples of common
ARG techniques, each linking back to the argology site? (and at this
point I have a sense of deja vu, talkig about ways of getting physical
cards to link to a website for an ARG...)
[6:46pm]
Andrhia: Hah.
[6:46pm]
AgentLex|Uhmmm: Picture side rot-13, reverse site a regular link -
again, we want the information to be accessible?
[6:46pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: I made my slogan in to a puzzle on my business card.
[6:46pm]
][mez][: i don't see the moocard having minimal info as confusing,
however. just not keent o embed an active ARG in the website.
[6:46pm]
adam: yes, exactly
[6:47pm]
Andrhia: Yeah, I'd just as rather not
[6:47pm]
Gupfee: just be careful not to give the impression that's it's all
about puzzles and cryptography
[6:47pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: Don't get me wrong: I'm not suggesting that either.
Cards should be to the point and not cryptic or mysterious.
[6:47pm]
Andrhia: Then it becomes an expression of a particular flavor of ARG
[6:47pm]
Baroblik: I agree
[6:47pm]
_varin: me too
[6:48pm]
Andrhia: Still, we don't have anything to put on the backs as images.
[6:48pm]
adam: well, yes. But, eventually, if we are always completely
even-handed then our ability to do anything interesting becomes
vanishingly small
[6:48pm]
][mez][: even just somethign as simple as a simple by-line
encapsulating cross-media/ARGs...something snappy...
[6:48pm]
Andrhia: Could we put together a Flickr gallery of screen shots, video
stills, other photos from ARGs we have known and loved?
[6:48pm]
Andrhia: And use those?
[6:49pm]
TikiMike: I would argue that the cards be very straight forward, have
no puzzles or anything funky about them -- straight info
[6:49pm]
adam: I am not a lover of cryptology in args, it bores me, but its
something simple and visual (and easy) to stick on the picture side of
a card, and it's on-topic
[6:49pm]
Andrhia: I'm assuming some of us here have the authority to clear such
material for use
[6:49pm]
_varin: What about just putting the logo on teh picture side?  Too boring?
[6:49pm]
][mez][: great idea re shot compilation andr, + perhaps invite memebrs
to remix/mash/work em?
[6:49pm]
Andrhia: Well, logo on the front, other picture on the back :)
[6:49pm]
Gupfee: agree w/ TikiMike--the creativity can come from the images and
the tag lines used, not needing any puzzly bits
[6:49pm]
Andrhia: Actually, this was originally Adam's idea and not mine ^_^
[6:49pm]
Baroblik: Like the idea of the flickr gallery, so every one could
contribute - and we could pick a top ten - patterns, colors or images
[6:50pm]
TikiMike: when I have to pitch a project to a client I often use an
inverse rule -- the more outrageous and experimental the campaign, the
more I use traditional language and formats to pitch it
[6:50pm]
][mez][: sounds workable baro
[6:50pm]
adam: varin: moo cards tend to work very well with "intersting" images
on, because of the strange form-factor. They don't tend to work well
with plain logos.
[6:50pm]
catherwood: pictures of players at events -- but then don't you need
releases or permission to use their images?
[6:50pm]
_varin: You can put pics on both sides?  Are these the minicards we're
talking about?
[6:50pm]
Andrhia: Yes, the minicards
[6:50pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: I'd love one with my "digital rabbit" on it. :)
[6:50pm]
adam: varin: you get room for a SMALL pic on one side, the whole of
the other side is a pic
[6:51pm]
_varin: okay, that's what I made for myself :)
[6:51pm]
][mez][: i wouldn't go for real-time photos, more logo based would
work better i suspect
[6:51pm]
Andrhia: Logos would muddy the message
[6:51pm]
Andrhia: Of who exactly is behind ARGology
[6:51pm]
adam: so ... howabout making a flickr photostream that anyone can
submit to, and they warrant that they have the rights to their images?
Pictures of people just need to not be identifiable, but IIRC flickr
has guideliens already on what you're allowed to do with iamges you
take (no?)
[6:51pm]
][mez][: i heard moocards r very expensive. is there a way we coudl
explore getting a reg printer to make em instead? cut back on costs?
[6:52pm]
adam: moo cards are generally cheap
[6:52pm]
Jas0n: an image of a book, a computer monitor, a phone, an envelope,
and a person at a desk
[6:52pm]
Andrhia: Moo cards for the quality arne't very expensive at all
[6:52pm]
Baroblik: details of everybody in ARGology ... a close up of a nose,
an hand, a finger, a lip, an ear, an eye ... but from everyone on our
list ;)
[6:52pm]
][mez][: ok adam, my source must have been incorrect *naughty source!*;)
[6:52pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: I have a shutterstock subscription if need be; so
long as it's not an "editorial" image it's fair game, no?
[6:52pm]
adam: I have never found a reliable business card printer as cheap as
moo (I've used a lot), unless you go for limited colour palettes
[6:52pm]
Andrhia: Maybe we can start a Flickr pool and then do polling about
which images to use
[6:53pm]
adam: +1 for flickr pool
[6:53pm]
Andrhia: Again, the theme of "ARG-like"
[6:53pm]
][mez][: +2
[6:53pm]
Baroblik: +3
[6:53pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: (n+1)
[6:53pm]
][mez][: lol:)
[6:53pm]
Andrhia: Going once.... going twice... and SOLD!
[6:53pm]
Baroblik: :)
[6:53pm]
Andrhia: Whew
[6:53pm]
Andrhia: An hour talking about Moo cards, who knew?
[6:53pm]
•
adam would be interested to see what appears :)
[6:53pm]
][mez][: indeed, who did?
[6:54pm]
Andrhia: OK
[6:54pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: I'm sure I'll be the first to violate site Terms of
Service. I always am. :)
[6:54pm]
adam: lol
[6:54pm]
Andrhia: Next order of business: We have a lovely turnout here
tonight, but in the interests of fairness, I'm looking at making the
next chat durign the day on a weekday
[6:55pm]
Jas0n: Wed-Fri would be good :P
[6:55pm]
adam: midnight. I must go. Before I turn into a pumpkin. Night, all.
[6:55pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: Considering we have people in the US, Europe and
Australia, maybe rotate the time so that everyone's miserable at least
once?
[6:55pm]
AgentLex|Uhmmm: See ya adam
[6:55pm]
Andrhia: I proposed: 8am PST/ 11am EST/ 4pm BST/ 1am in Sydney
[6:55pm]
Baroblik: see ya adam
[6:55pm]
adam left the chat room.
[6:56pm]
Andrhia: Poor Australia always gets the shaft
[6:56pm]
Jas0n: That's what they get for being a day ahead :P
[6:56pm]
Andrhia: Let's call it for Sept. 18, a Thursday
[6:56pm]
andre joined the chat room.
[6:56pm]
Andrhia: What do we think?
[6:56pm]
Jas0n: sounds good
[6:56pm]
Baroblik: I've been puppetmastering Rivard Project for  6 weeks with
people from everywhere in the globe, I can suffer as much as you want
and be miserable for others .. It's fine with me :)
[6:56pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: Sounds good
[6:57pm]
JohnEvans: Sounds okay.
[6:57pm]
Gupfee: once school starts, I'm good :)
[6:57pm]
_varin: I'm up for feeling miserable every once in a while
[6:57pm]
Andrhia: OK!
[6:57pm]
Andrhia: I'll email the list about it later tonight
[6:57pm]
Andrhia: And... that's all of the agenda I've got, folks
[6:57pm]
Andrhia: I turn it over to you to talk about the fun stuff, or ask me
pesky administrative questions
[6:58pm]
Andrhia: Or, you know, whatever
[6:58pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: Aw... so where's the super awesome trailhead I was
expecting from this group?
[6:58pm]
Baroblik: the list and the flickr gallery address when it will be available
?
[6:58pm]
Andrhia: Knock yourselves out!
[6:58pm]
AgentLex|Uhmmm: Nighthawk: www.superawesometrailhead.com of course
[6:58pm]
Jas0n: Where's the guy in the banana hammock?
[6:58pm]
Andrhia: Baroblik: I'll try to set something up and email the list when it's
up
[6:58pm]
Andrhia: I know, right?
[6:58pm]
Baroblik: Andrhia : Thanks !
[6:58pm]
•
Jas0n goes and puts his speedo on
[6:58pm]
Andrhia: Hah!
[6:59pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor: I'm gonna run here. Apparently have a hurricane to
prepare for...
[6:59pm]
andre: hey guys, Andre here from Brazil
[6:59pm]
_varin: ugh, good luck Nighthawk
[6:59pm]
AgentLex|Uhmmm: See ya Nighthawk
[6:59pm]
daveszulborski558: bye nighthawk
[6:59pm]
Nighthawk|DFlor left the chat room. (Quit: )
[7:00pm]
andre is now known as Andre.
[7:00pm]
Baroblik: Hi Andre from Brazil !
[7:00pm]
Jas0n: Welcome Andre
[7:00pm]
Andrhia: I'm ending the official transciption log... NOW
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