[arg_discuss] Nov. 12 ARG SIG IRC Chat: The Log!

[Andrea Phillips]

I'm much better today, thanks. :) My headaches last three days like clockwork.

It's too bad you couldn't make it; it was a quiet group overall,
though. I've got to get better at reminding for these and picking
times people can show up. :)

On Nov 13, 2007 6:17 AM, Bryan Alexander <Bryan.Alexander at nitle.org> wrote:

> I hope you feel better, Rhiannon!

>

> Sorry I couldn't make it.  Very mad schedule.

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: arg_discuss-bounces at igda.org on behalf of Andrea Phillips

> Sent: Mon 11/12/2007 9:32 PM

> To: Discussion list of the IGDA ARG SIG

> Subject: [arg_discuss] Nov. 12 ARG SIG IRC Chat: The Log!

>

> The log follows. I'd just like to say a number of people mentioned

> they would have liked the reminder a bit further out; I have very much

> taken this to heart and plan to do so next time. (Though I have to

> say, at least I was better than the "IRC Chat NOW!" of last time!)

>

> *****

> *** Starting logfile SIGchat_1107.log

> IRC log started Mon Nov 12 12:03:20 2007

> *** Value of LOG set to ON

> <Rhiannon> I am officially logging

> <Rhiannon> I guess in a minute we can all go around and introduce ourselves :)

> Pub: #arg_sig   NathanM_SC WillE Gupfee AndresQ danhon @Rhiannon Patrol Morbus

> *** #arg_sig : End of /NAMES list.

> *** imb (imbri at chat-solu-329B6F21.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) has joined

> channel #arg_sig

> <Rhiannon> Hello :)

> <Rhiannon> I think we're destined for a quiet group today

> <NathanM_SC> Heh, maybe! Hi.

> <Gupfee> are there usually more people in these?  this is the first

> time I could make the sig chat...

> <danhon> should we introduce ourselves now?

> <AndresQ> wait for Master Rhiannon

> <danhon> (I'm actually going to have to head off in 18 minutes)

> <Rhiannon> Well

> <Rhiannon> Let's get on with it then

> <Rhiannon> Usually there are rather more people, yes

> <Rhiannon> But I foolishly made this on an American holiday

> <Rhiannon> And I think midday isn't as successful as evening anyhow

> <Rhiannon> So!

> <Rhiannon> I'm Andrea Phillips, your SIG leadership representative

> <Rhiannon> I hereby welcome you the the Nov. 2007 ARG SIG chat, and

> I'd encourage all of you to go round and introduce yourselves just

> really quickly

> <danhon> Hi, I'm Dan, I'm CEO of Six to Start, I used to work at Mind

> Candy and now we make other games

> <AndresQ> I'm Andres Quijano from Jengibre, a games and ARG

> development company located in Argentina

> <Patrol> I'm Patrick Moeller, senior editor of ARGReporter and ARG

> Designer in Germany, currently working with vm-people in Berlin.

> <NathanM_SC> Hey I'm Nathan Mishler, of Studio Cypher.

> <WillE> And I'm Will Emigh, also of Studio Cypher

> <Gupfee> Marie Lamb, ARGN Associate Editor and freelance PM--worked on

> World Without Oil

> <Rhiannon> (Oh, right, I used to work at Mind Candy, and now I am a

> ronin wandering from project to project.)

> <Rhiannon> We're missing Patrol and Morbus?

> <Morbus> huh? oh, hey.

> <Rhiannon> And imbri

> <Rhiannon> Well, they can catch up and introduce themselves as we come to it :)

> <Morbus> I'm Morbus, working slowly but steadily on 60 Blank White Cards.

> <Morbus> I'm also a judge for Let's Change The Game.

> <Rhiannon> Our agenda today is pretty much two items

> <Patrol> second try: I'm Patrick Moeller, senior editor of ARGReporter

> and ARG Designer in Germany, currently working with vm-people in

> Berlin.

> <Rhiannon> Oh! Sorry, I missed your line

> <Patrol> no problem :)

> <Rhiannon> Everyone bear with me, I'm operating on day 3 of a migraine

> <Gupfee> :( yuck

> <Rhiannon> So the quality control in my brain has gone very far off

> <Patrol> oh my dear. hope it will get better soon.

> <Rhiannon> So, our agenda:

> <Rhiannon> First, I apologize; and second, I entreat

> <Rhiannon> Are you ready?

> * AndresQ is ready

> <Patrol> yes

> *** Signoff: imb (Ping timeout)

> <Gupfee> gfi

> <Rhiannon> Item 1: I am so, so sorry for not making further headway on

> the press kit and/or the trends paper, at least one of which I had

> wanted to complete by now. In addition, there is a backlog of

> introductions going back to something ludicrous like.. June... to put

> into the website

> <Rhiannon> Christy Dena has put together her press kit item, and a lot

> of the rest of it wouldn't take up much TIME, so much as I simply

> haven't done it. Oh, and I had begged for some people to write ARG

> case studies, and that also hasn't happened yet

> <Rhiannon> So it wasn't only me :)

> <Rhiannon> OK, done with the apologizing

> <Rhiannon> Now for the entreating

> <Rhiannon> I really, really want more people into the leadership if the SIG

> <Rhiannon> If you haven't noticed, it's essentially just.. me... right now

> <AndresQ> how can I join/help?

> *** amartin (chatzilla at 8675790E.91DA772D.434885FA.IP) has joined

> channel #arg_sig

> <Rhiannon> My heavens

> <amartin> hi all

> <Rhiannon> Speak of the devil and he shall appear!

> * amartin looks around furtively

> * AndresQ bows

> <Rhiannon> I was just about to say that, while Adam is our chairman on

> paper, in practice he is not so very much involved of late

> <amartin> LOL

> <Rhiannon> Adam, I was entreating people to join the leadership

> <Rhiannon> Evan Jones has also stepped down from the council

> <Rhiannon> And I clearly am not doing a fantastic job all on my very own

> <danhon> Then it is true.

> <danhon> Our fellowship has broken.

> * Rhiannon weeps

> <danhon> Sauron gathers to the west.

> * amartin thinkgs Rhiannon is doing a fantastic job

> <Morbus> one does not simply anagram into mordor!

> <Rhiannon> So this chat is basically a gussied up recruitment drive to

> try to fool one or more of you into doing my wicked bidding

> <NathanM_SC> So what needs doing? We at SC would like to be involved

> on some level. :)

> <Rhiannon> Well

> <Rhiannon> You could write items for a press kit :)

> <Rhiannon> Or you could put introductions onto the website

> <Rhiannon> Or you could think of another fantastic project and put it

> into action!

> <AndresQ> I can help!

> <Gupfee> what needs to be done for the press kit?

> <amartin> FYI I was planning to update the introductions + add

> companies one evening this week, so that's covered

> <Rhiannon> But basically, just say "I will help!" and we can dub you

> official leadership council members

> <danhon> (at this point, having done nothing but contribute a quip, I

> have to leave for a meeting. I shall catch up from the logs)

> <amartin> (my only query was whether it was best to move that data

> over to the wiki? so that people could add themselves and change

> them?)

> *** Signoff: danhon (Quit: byebye)

> <Rhiannon> For the press kit, we need a description of what an ARG is;

> a description of the benefits of an ARG for prospective clients; a few

> ARG case studies

> <Rhiannon> And maybe a pretty design for a PDF to put it all into

> <Rhiannon> Christy has delivered ARGs by the numbers for me

> <Rhiannon> All of this should be one-pagers

> <Rhiannon> Adam: That's actually an excellent idea, I think

> <Rhiannon> In general we don't use the wiki to its fullest extent

> <Patrol> ok, so is there a way to see, what has already happened with

> the press kit and what tasks are already open?

> <Rhiannon> I think I'll repeat my entreating later tonight in an email

> to the list

> <Rhiannon> You can look at what I typed out

> <Rhiannon> Otherwise not so much :)

> <Rhiannon> I've actually asked some people to do case studies of their own games

> <Rhiannon> And met with assent, but then Embrace the Chaos was

> postponed... and I'd hope to deliver the press kti in time for that

> <Rhiannon> So all of the urgency was lost

> <Rhiannon> er, I'd hoped

> <Patrol> we should have some kind of deadline then, what do you think?

> <NathanM_SC> I've found that a text description of an arg doesn't

> always get the idea across. What'd be nice for a press kit would be a

> hands on miniarg.

> <Rhiannon> Nathan: This is a nice idea, but ultimately nonproductive

> <Rhiannon> Because the target audience for the press kit is by

> definition people who won't have time to go through a game

> <Gupfee> keeping in mind that the holidays are approaching and

> people's time is going to be limited even more than usual in the next

> couple of months

> <Rhiannon> We do already have a few sample mini-games posted

> <NathanM_SC> Ah, well then, never mind!

> <Rhiannon> The target is two separate audiences

> <Rhiannon> One: Journalists writing about an ARG, to get some quick

> background information

> <Rhiannon> Two: People/companies/entities interested in commissioning

> an ARG, for a similar purpose

> <Rhiannon> If the kit could be helpful for small teams i ntheir pitch

> process, that would be killer

> <Rhiannon> Though I guess

> <Rhiannon> There's no such thing, really, as a LARGE team :)

> <Rhiannon> Anyway

> <Rhiannon> Gupfee, I take away your point that having a more open

> organization would be useful

> <Rhiannon> And I think it would be wise to press the wiki into service for this

> <Rhiannon> I think there will be some wiki-fidgeting in my future

> <Rhiannon> Making a place for contributions

> <Gupfee> my point?

> <Rhiannon> Well

> <Rhiannon> Maybe you didnt' say it, but it seemed where you were headed :)

> <Rhiannon> Sorry

> <amartin> Rhiannon is psychic AND prescient

> <amartin> Does anyone want to do something in time for mid february,

> we have another ARG group gathering?

> <amartin> doh. I mean:

> <amartin> Does anyone want to do something in time for mid february,

> we have another ARG group gathering at GDC?

> <Gupfee> I was just responding to Patrol's comment about a deadline!

> <Rhiannon> And I read from that "Hm, having deadlines and what pieces

> are done in an open spot would be v. useful!"

> <Rhiannon> I accuse you of nothing :)

> <Gupfee> heh

> <Rhiannon> I *might* make it to GDC this year

> <Rhiannon> If I do it would likely be for only a couple of days

> <Rhiannon> Whether the first couple of the last couple I do not yet know

> <Rhiannon> However, my attendance is no big deal, and I think the GDC

> gatherings have always been a success and we should totally arrange

> such a thing

> <amartin> We don't *have* to do anything, we usually spend a short

> while introducing everyone, and answering some general questiosn on

> ARGs, and then an hour or two just meeting each other and socializing

> in small groups

> <Rhiannon> Fun :)

> <amartin> (just to be clear: we have a group gathering arranged, and

> I'll be there hosting it, but I just think its an opportunity for

> someone to present anything - e.g. the presskit - in person. If they'd

> like to)

> <Rhiannon> Oh, right

> <Rhiannon> I think February is a nice modest goal for the press kit

> <Rhiannon> And GDC I thought was in March anyhow

> *** Patro1 (Patrol at chat-solu-A68B69F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined

> channel #arg_sig

> <WillE> It's in February this year

> <WillE> Er... next year.

> <Patro1> sorry, i got disconnected. is the meeting in february, or is

> it the gdc?

> *** Signoff: Patrol (Ping timeout)

> <Rhiannon> The meeting is at GDC, whenever GDC is :)

> <Patro1> okay. i don't think that i can make it to the gdc next year :(

> <Rhiannon> Aw.

> <amartin> GDC is http://gdconf.com

> <amartin> "GDC is extra Early this year - Feb 18-22"

> <amartin> (2008)

> *** subversified

> (despain at chat-solu-81ED56F8.bzm-mt.client.bresnan.net) has joined

> channel #arg_sig

> <subversified> hi everyone, sorry I'm late.

> <subversified> did I miss all the fun?

> <AndresQ> hello there

> <subversified> is the meeting over?

> <Patro1> i'd like to add another topic.

> <Rhiannon> OK, go

> <Patro1> i put some questions together to make up a survey. Well it's

> in German right now, and I'm still translating it into English, but

> maybe there are questions that you ever wanted to know from your

> players and you haven't asked yet?

> <Rhiannon> That seems like a good thing to post to the list proper

> <Rhiannon> Where you'll get more responses :)

> <Patro1> okay :)

> <Rhiannon> I'm curious about hours per day

> <Rhiannon> But that's because of my current obsession with the

> definitions of casual games and casual gamers

> <Rhiannon> Anyway

> <Rhiannon> I think the order of the day, then, is for me to go into

> the wiki, make a framework for the press kit, set deadlines, and

> exhort people to contribute?

> <Rhiannon> Sounds fair?

> <Patro1> yes :)

> <Rhiannon> And perhaps the same thing with the trends paper

> <Gupfee> exhort or extort ;)

> <amartin> (does anyone want to contribute more to the main website also?)

> <Rhiannon> If only I had dirt on all of you

> <Rhiannon> Exhortation would be unnecessary!

> <amartin> Come to GDC! It's great for learning things about people ;) :P

> <Rhiannon> Hah

> <Rhiannon> Well then

> <Rhiannon> I'll just briefly open the floor to anything else anyone

> wants to raise?

> <Rhiannon> And: It seems like our evening/weekend meetings are much

> more successful

> <Rhiannon> Or at least well-attended

> <subversified> I thought we had about the same attendance at those as

> at this one

> <subversified> Personally, I needed a little more warning that today

> was the meeting

> <subversified> it's morning at my house :-)

> <Rhiannon> Sorry

> <Patro1> well, i am still at work, and came to this room three hours

> before the chat started, that way i couldn't forget about it ;)

> <Rhiannon> I meant to email last night

> <Rhiannon> But my brain, poor QA, as previously discussed

> <subversified> A reminder on Friday would have helped me, but I don't

> know about anybody else

> <Rhiannon> OK.

> <Rhiannon> I think we might be just about done here...

> <subversified> I think we'll get this monthly meeting thing figured

> out :-) we're still new at it

> <Rhiannon> Yeah

> *** imbri (imbri at giantmice.com) has joined channel #arg_sig

> <Rhiannon> I think I'll try for week before Christmas next time?

> <Rhiannon> Like on a Wednesday night or something

> <Rhiannon> I don't know

> <subversified> or first week in January?

> <Rhiannon> We can talk it out on the list :)

> <Rhiannon> That week tends ot be blockbuster insane for me

> <Rhiannon> I don't know about you

> <Rhiannon> All those resolutions, people suddenly want to get rolling

> <subversified> things are insane for me until about March :-)

> <Rhiannon> OK.

> <Rhiannon> I do believe I am going to conclude the formal part of the meeting

> <amartin> thanks, Andrea

> <Rhiannon> Everyone is free to chat further about any and all topics

> <Rhiannon> Thank you all for attending, and have a lovely week

> IRC log ended Mon Nov 12 12:59:57 2007

>

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